Reeds Working on reeds: preparation, maintenance and care

Preparing a reed for playing (summary)​


1. Soak the reed: Place the reed in a cup of water for around 30 seconds to a minute. This will allow the reed to absorb water and make it play more easily.

2. Adjust the reed: After soaking, take the reed out of the water and examine it. Some reeds may be thicker than others or have uneven tips. Use a reed knife or reed clipper to shape the reed to your liking. Make small adjustments at first, as it’s easier to take more off than to add back on.

3. Clean the reed: After adjusting the reed, wipe it down with a cloth or tissue to remove any excess water or debris.

4. Test the reed: Once the reed is adjusted and cleaned, test it on your saxophone. Play various notes and listen for any buzzing or unevenness in the sound. Adjust the reed as needed until it plays smoothly.

5. Store the reed: When you’re finished playing, remove the reed from the mouthpiece and store it in a reed holder or case. This will help keep the reed from drying out or getting damaged.

Remember, reed preparation is a personal preference and may require some trial-and-error to find what works best for you. But following these steps should help you get started on the right path!

Care & Storage​

I find that reeds play best when wet, you can moisten them in your mouth for a while or soak them in a glass of water (some people recommend alcohol such as vodka). If you have the time and patience, it is a good idea to “run in” a new reed by wetting for a few minutes every day for three or four days before playing. If a reed has become warped due to drying out too quickly after playing it may need several minutes soaking, otherwise I prefer to just moisten with saliva.

It is best to store cane reeds on a flat surface, which obviously helps to keep the reed from warping, but it can also be a good idea to actually stop it drying out at all when you are not playing it, as the constant wetting and drying process can shorten the life of the reed. Plus, if it is kept even very slightly moist, then it will always be ready to play when you put it on the mouthpiece – reeds that have totally dried out often crinkle at the tip when remoistened.

The perfect storage method is the ReedJuvinate . This system involves a watertight storage container with three reedholders and a sponge which can be kept moist, and so ensuring the reeds never actually dry out.

If you use Listerine (recommended) or low sugar content alcohol such as vodka, then this will also prevent mould or microbes growing on the reed – something that you find often happens if you keep reeds in a glass of water.

The reed holders work perfectly for any reed from sopranino to bass and are ideal for rotating three reeds, and a really neat feature is the magnetic metal strip (see image) so you can easily attach it to a music or microphone stand.

Conditioning a cane reed (aka Preparing or “prepping” a reed)​

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKM9wRIvYmk


It’s unlikely that all the reeds in a box will play well. You can improve the immediate playability of a reed sometimes. If the underside of the reed is not flat, traditionally saxophone players flatten it by (a) taking a piece of fine emery paper, lay it flat on a piece of glass and gently sand the bottom of the reed by moving the reed across the emery paper lengthwise or (b) scraping gently with a razor blade holding the blade almost at right angles across the whole width of the reed and use steady smooth strokes.

Checking again after you have played on it for a while​

After a reed has been played on, the wetness can sometimes cause further slight distortion. Often this can be cured by simply tightening the ligature slightly, but it can also be worth reflattening the bottom of the reed.

Swollen or warped saxophone cane reed


You can see how this reed has become concave due to swelling. However, this could be symptom of an uneven mouthpiece table causing water or spit to get under the reed.

Altering the strength of cane reeds​

You can easily make a reed harder or softer yourself.

Making a reed harder​


To make it harder you can clip the end off with a reed trimmer. At a pinch you can try the old fashioned method which is to find a coin with the same curve, hold it against the end of the reed and burn off a little at a time. Trimming a reed may not be ideal as it changes the basic geometry of the reed – the heart becomes closer to the tip so you should not trim off more than about 1/32 of an inch (1.5 mm).

 Trimming cane reeds


The slightly shaded area represents the thicker bit of reed you would see if you hold it up to the light. The heart is very important.
Imagine taking a bit off the tip, the heart therefore becomes closer to the tip so upsetting the possibly ideal contour as in this picture of a reed that has had too much trimmed, you can see there is very little shaved reed between the heart and tip:

Cane Reed Trimming


See how the heart is closer to the tip with the clipped reed
There are other problems involved with using a reed clipper to rejuvenate an old reed:

  1. The reed gets a built-in bend following the curve of the mouthpiece lay (possibly worse for those of us who leave the reed on the mouthpiece)
  2. The composition of cane reeds can deteriorate: the fibres break down due to saliva saturation and constant flexing and vibration of the reed, so even if you have cured the reed of being too soft, it will still not vibrate as well as a younger reed.
A reed clipper in this case is likely to have only a short-term beneficial effect, but with the side effect of compromising the make up of the reed (ie the heart becoming closer to the tip as I said earlier). If this side effect is not as pronounced as the beneficial effect of “hardening” the reed, then you may have a few more minutes or even hours of use from the reed.

Softening Cane Reeds​

First make sure you have given the reed a chance to “settle in” by blowing it for a while.
The traditional method is to use reed rush, fine sand paper or a very sharp blade to gradually remove material from the top of the reed.

You can also use the wonderful all-purpose reed tool, the Reedgeek, (see above) which I highly recommend (watch this space for a review). This comes with some instructions on where and how to remove material.

Making a cane reed softer
Remove material from the top, at the sides.
Check first whether the reed appears symmetrical. If not then first remove material from the side which seems heaviest when you look through it at a light source, otherwise you can remove material from both sides equally. Shave the sides (of the top) towards the tip, don’t sand or scrape the middle or heart of the reed unless you are really experienced or if it is very obviously asymmetrical. The heart should be bullet shaped as in the pictures above when you hold it to the light. Do not remove any material from the tip or near the tip.
 
The following is my own thoughts and opinions and I don't say it's the right thing to do with reeds!! The instructions is translated from Swedish to English so I'm not sure I got the right expressions. So please don't judge me to hard!

The quality and playablity of reeds are better nowadays. The machines and the methods for reedmaking have made a big progress over the years. You don't find so many "really reeds" in box nowadays. When I look at unused reeds from the 20's, 30's ... to today the evenness and playablity of the reeds have become better and better through the years. So there is less need for prepare reeds nowadays. But you can "wake up a tired" reed by doing some "voodoo"! I used to rotate over two or four reeds because the reedgards I used hold two or four reeds. I don't do reed preparation anymore. I'm playing Rico Plasticcover. ;}



My teacher in the mid 70's gave me the following instructions. I'm sure you can find simular instructions in saxophone books... :

1. The reed is to soft and produce a "buzzy" sound: Use the reedtrimmer. Just small pieces between the testplaying.
2. The reed has less resonance and produce a dull sound when you play soft: Polish 1 and 2 with sandpaper.
3. The reed has less resonance in the low register: Polish 2 with sandpaper.
4. The tip of the reed is to thick after using the reedtrimmer: Gentle polish the 7+8, the backside of the reed, with a file or a whetstone.
5. If the reed is overall/general hard to play: Gentle polish 7+8, the backside of the reed, with a file or a whetstone.
6. Reed is squaking: Balance 2.
7. Hard to make a soft attack in the high register: Polish gentle 2+1 with sandpaper.
8. Powerless or week tone in the high register: Polish 3 with sandpaper.
9. The mid-register has less resonance: Polish 4 with sandpaper.
10. The low register is hard to play: Use a razorblade on 6.
11. The reed is still hard/heavy to blow: Polish and balance 6,5,4 3 with razorblade and sandpaper.


X is a important area of the reed and shall not be prepared/worked! If you look against a light the reed shall have a symmetric "V-shaped heart" in the middle of the reed.

You need: A small glas plate or plexiglass plate, file (plane), whetstone (plane), reedtrimmer, fine-grained sandpaper, and razorblades.

Keep the reed wet while you are working. Always work in the direction of the fibrer. Take it easy.! Just small adjustments. Try on a old reed before you prepare a new.

Thomas
 
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I tried this at time's over the year's and could not be botherd to do it,still cant so i must be a lazy sod.I just soak mine for long lenth's and the one's that play i use and the many that dont just get hidden away,cost's me cash in the long run but the thought of sitting sanding,cutting reed's wont agree with me and a like an easy life.We got our own thing's and way's of getting going but for me life's to short and would rather be playing than sanding a reed.
 
Ok, so being a person that doesn't mind courting a little controversy every now and again>:). I thought I would ask. Why? can't people just get a reed out the box and play it:confused:. OK, so you wet it a bit first then just play.:thumb: Before the missiles rain down let me explain my thinking. If you take a plasticover reed as an example you can't soak it and prepare it as so many would advise. It is still just a normal reed just coated.( I am not going to talk about synthetic reeds here as thats another topic). You can't sand them down, you can't press the fibers of the cane down with flat object, finger nail would be a good example I have heard people mention. Even though I have only been learning the sax for 10 months now( time does fly when you're having fun) I have yet to take a bad one out of the box:confused:. Is this a subject that only seasoned players have problems with as it does seem to be these that talk about it the most>:), or is just the fact that they have a more developed tone:mrcool and can notice subtle changes from reed to reed. Just for info I started out on rico royals 1.5 then jazz select 2s and now use rico royal 2.5's.. Sorry for the long post..

Chris
 
Ok, so being a person that doesn't mind courting a little controversy every now and again>:). I thought I would ask. Why? can't people just get a reed out the box and play it:confused:. OK, so you wet it a bit first then just play.:thumb: Before the missiles rain down let me explain my thinking. If you take a plasticover reed as an example you can't soak it and prepare it as so many would advise. It is still just a normal reed just coated.( I am not going to talk about synthetic reeds here as thats another topic). You can't sand them down, you can't press the fibers of the cane down with flat object, finger nail would be a good example I have heard people mention. Even though I have only been learning the sax for 10 months now( time does fly when you're having fun) I have yet to take a bad one out of the box:confused:. Is this a subject that only seasoned players have problems with as it does seem to be these that talk about it the most>:), or is just the fact that they have a more developed tone:mrcool and can notice subtle changes from reed to reed. Just for info I started out on rico royals 1.5 then jazz select 2s and now use rico royal 2.5's.. Sorry for the long post..

Chris

Hi chris,
The answer is to record yourself and decide, is this tone good enough, how hard am I working to produce the notes, does it sing and does it sound like the professional players I hear, or is it just notes played competently.
I believe that reeds, being a natural material, like people, are all different and that each reed should be matched to the mouthpiece being used. We all know that wider tip openings require a softer reed and vice versa, but if we accept that that is the only difference, then I think we are wrong! We need to remove material to try and get the same ease of blowing from each reed. Then we have a chance of consistant tone!

John.
 
I love this topic!

If it plays ok for you great!
About myself:
If I practice every day for 4 hours on the same instrument (ie tenor) there is no way to find the right reed
If i am back from holiday and had a great time, any reed from the box will sound great (unless it's really wrong).

This phenomenon (quite common) still has to be scientifically explained.
 
As a general rule I play the tenor maybe 3/4 hours every day.:thumb: The sax only gets put in its case to go for my lesson. The mouthpiece remains on the sax all the time unless it gets taken of to clean( I know I should take it off to let the cork recover) :w00t:The reed gets changed 8/10 times when I damage it it some way or it just won't play anymore.🙂 Your point is noted about getting the notes to ring like a Pro player , however do "Pro" players go to a lot of trouble to prepare reeds or are they just gifted enough to be able to play:mrcool, and the rest of us just hang on to there coatails as it were.
Also your theory doesn't explain plasticover reeds:confused::confused:, I know from reading your posts that you can indeed work on a synthetic reed. I don't think that there is a right and a wrong in this subject seems like most people will do what it takes to play:thumb:, also I only have about 10 months experience playing sax. My tone is always changing, I think getting better.:welldone So do only players with a consistent tone notice a variation??
It does seem to be a topic that courts a litle controversy though.

Nick and Justin, I did begin to question if it was just me.:confused::confused:
 
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Hi Chris,
I can't speak for the players of today, but a lot of the pro's - 40's/50's did prepare their reeds, and I'm pretty confident that it still happens. I wouldn't go as far as some authors, who advocate removing material from certain areas of the reed to produce different tones, but I do feel that each reed is different and should be adjusted/tuned to the mouthpiece being used.
Yes we can play reeds straight out of the box, but with a little work on them, life can become a lot easier.
In another thread I say to watch Tom Reidenour's ATG video No2 on youtube. There you will see and hear the effects of working on a reed.

John.
 
Hi John, having watched Tom Reidenour's videos, I must say that it looks like he does indeed work on his reeds and make a noticeable difference to his tone🙂. His video does however throw up a couple of points.:confused: he doesn't use a lig on the clarinet( thats another touchy subject) also a quality player can achieve different sounds with ease:mrcool. eg here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oc0VzGBPxY:mrcool
I know we have all seen this before but it helps me out. One sax one player:sax:, one reed, every single tone you could ever want from a sax plus, some you might not. I am not calling into question the integrity of someone, but hey the guy is trying to sell something. At the end of the day if some thing helps anyone sound better then all well and good, I just don't feel it needs all the hype the topic gets. Some people will just never sound good it's just a fact of life.>:)

Chris
 
Hi John, having watched Tom Reidenour's videos, I must say that it looks like he does indeed work on his reeds and make a noticeable difference to his tone🙂. His video does however throw up a couple of points.:confused: he doesn't use a lig on the clarinet( thats another touchy subject) also a quality player can achieve different sounds with ease:mrcool. eg here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oc0VzGBPxY:mrcool
I know we have all seen this before but it helps me out. One sax one player:sax:, one reed, every single tone you could ever want from a sax plus, some you might not. I am not calling into question the integrity of someone, but hey the guy is trying to sell something. At the end of the day if some thing helps anyone sound better then all well and good, I just don't feel it needs all the hype the topic gets. Some people will just never sound good it's just a fact of life.>:)

Chris

Chris, if you had watched the video to the end, you would have seen that he does use a lig.
A few of us on the forum have the ATG System and swear by it. Me included :thumb:
The guy in the video you quote, is reinforcing the fact that a relaxed embouchure is the way to go. That is the whole point of adjusting the reed to the mouthpiece. Try playing relaxed on a hard reed. You'll have to bite up to get a sound out of it!!

John
 
I wouldn't, I would use a softer reed/smaller tip opening>:). Just find the combination that works.:welldone

As an after thought John, are you saying that using the ATG you could make the hard reed work??

Chris, smaller tip openings require harder reeds, wide tip openings require softer reeds!!!!!!
Using the ATG System makes reeds that are hard to play, easier to play. It is only an easier way of balancing a reed without using a blade, sandpaper, or in my case an emery board. This means less air being pushed through the sax to produce a note, as demonstrated by Tom Ridenour in the video.

John
 
Chris, smaller tip openings require harder reeds, wide tip openings require softer reeds!!!!!!John

Surely this depends on your chops?

In fact, most of the opinion on this subject really does depend on your chops, the flexibility ("relaxed"-ness??!) of your embouchure and the way you form a sound. As Johnboy says, reeds are variable, however so are people, and the physical design of some people will be more appropriate to certain styles of playing than others. Then you factor in the way you've practiced and how you can shape the tone with your embouchure, and the style and size of mouthpiece you're using. There're about fifty variables before you get to adjusting the reed, and more flexible players can work more than one setup. That's the main reason I find a cut and strength of reed that mostly work fine, and just use that.

Nick
 
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Surely this depends on your chops?

In fact, most of the opinion on this subject really does depend on your chops, the flexibility ("relaxed"-ness??!) of your embouchure and the way you form a . As Johnboy says, reeds are variable, however so are people, and the physical design of some people will be more appropriate to certain styles of playing than others. Then you factor in the way you've practiced and how you can shape the with your embouchure, and the style and size of mouthpiece you're using. There're about fifty variables before you get to adjusting the reed, and more flexible players can work more than one setup. That's the main reason I find a cut and strength of reed that mostly work fine, and just use that.

Nick

Hi Nick, I did say that people are variable ;} and yes there are other factors involved, but for me, it still comes down to the variability of reeds and their matching/tuning to the m'piece. Without this, I would be working too hard when there is no need to 🙂

John.
 
I would do what Nick Wyver does - play them straight out of the box very powerfully so that the fibres are all terrified not to stay in line and cuddle up to form a tight protective formation; then keep them totally immersed in vodka for the next few months. That way you can avoid having a system for preparing reeds.............................................;}

Produces a shuperb shound, by all accountsh......:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers: :clapping:
 
I would do what Nick Wyver does - play them straight out of the box very powerfully so that the fibres are all terrified not to stay in line and cuddle up to form a tight protective formation; then keep them totally immersed in vodka for the next few months. That way you can avoid having a system for preparing reeds.............................................;}

Produces a shuperb shound, by all accountsh......:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers: :clapping:

In Spain, we have a caramel flavoured vodka that is absolutely gorgeous. I finished off a bottle last night, at 4.40 euros a bottle I tend to get through rather a lot of it, even after 4 or 5 pints of cerveza :mrcool
 
Al, that's not what we are doing. We are balancing the reed (making both sides of the reed vibrate the same), and making it easier to play i.e. less air required to make it play sweetly and give the embouchure easier control of the tone.
If you want to see what is meant by unbalanced, play a note through one corner of the mouthpiece and then do the same with the other corner and notice the difference in the sound. With the majority of reeds it will not be the same.

John

Playing a note in each corner of the mouthpiece means that your head will be turned left or right and so one ear will be nearer the sound. Unless your hearing is perfect in both ears you could be compensating for your hearing not the reed.
 

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