Saxophones Elkhart vintage horn but which one?

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I have been trying to identify this alto sax. It has a very distinctive upward curve support between the bell and body and both Bb and B pads are on the same side. The Elkhart logo is in a star with a point on top and bottom, no other engraving is present. Looking at horns of a similar age and serial number I just can't seem to find it. Any ideas?
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I doubt very much whether that horn's ever been within 1000 miles of Indiana. Looks Eastern European to me. Also note the cracked soldered tonehole in the first photo.

Proportions seem like an alto to me. But the photos, while not totally useless, approach it.

If I could get it for under $40, (total cost, including shipping) I might consider it just for the weird factor. But on the other hand, I've already got two actual GOOD altos, and a laundry list of projects as long as your arm (most of which are not saxophone related), so on second thought, NAAAAH.

And of COURSE no photo of the neck, so it's even money it's not there.

Put it in a shadowbox and use it as decor.

You know, just because a 1953 Studebaker Starlight coupe, a 1955 Chevy Nomad, and a 1955 Chrysler 300A are all valuable, desirable vintage cars, doesn't mean the rusted out '53 Plymouth Cranbrook station wagon with a blown flathead six, three on the tree, and 35 generations of mouse nests in the interior is a valuable, desirable vintage car.
 
I have it in front of me, it's definitely an alto. It's not an opportunity just a person who had been given the horn enquiring about its history. I personally have not seen this type and through searching cannot categorically identify it.
 
Having some reeds bought from a store in Glasgow in the 1980s in the case of a horn made before 1960 (probably late 30s-mid 40s) doesn't mean anything.

I think we've identified it for you, it's "Wall Hanger".

I dunno, it might be that one in a million fabulous horn that no one's ever heard of...

but it isn't.
 
I have it in front of me, it's definitely an alto. It's not an opportunity just a person who had been given the horn enquiring about its history. I personally have not seen this type and through searching cannot categorically identify it.
Well, that's a good reason to ask certainly, and you never know if someone here can come with a bit more about either similarities with other horns or known stencils. But if they're interested in it as a family keepsake, it would cost more to repair than it's worth... and may not be much good even overhauled. If they're interested in it for value, the same pretty much applies.
 
I don't think I've seen a case like that, with a prong onto which the crook joint fits. Does it play? Weird (free) things are interesting, in my book...
How about smelly old saxophone cases? Other than acclimating me to scotch whiskey some time ago, I've had no need for them since.
 
Do Scots have nothing better to be upset about? What a wonderful world they must live in.
Hey, Scots are SUPPOSED to be irascible! And the ones that were too wild for Scotland emigrated to Northern Ireland, and when that grew too tame for them, they emigrated to the US and became the Scotch-Irish (and yes, that's the name, the only place where Scotch isn't a drink...). and the ones that were too wild for the eastern US? Well, they came here to Texas.

I mean, who else when faced with the combined military might of the Roman Empire, would paint themselves blue and charge the legion with clubs?
 
Hey, Scots are SUPPOSED to be irascible! And the ones that were too wild for Scotland emigrated to Northern Ireland, and when that grew too tame for them, they emigrated to the US and became the Scotch-Irish (and yes, that's the name, the only place where Scotch isn't a drink...). and the ones that were too wild for the eastern US? Well, they came here to Texas.

I mean, who else when faced with the combined military might of the Roman Empire, would paint themselves blue and charge the legion with clubs?
Ah, yes, the great Scottish diaspora... It reminds me of the lyrics of "Boy Named Sue". I cannot imagine how tough it must be to ride the range while wearing a plaid skirt. Oh, the chafing.
 
I have it in front of me, it's definitely an alto. It's not an opportunity just a person who had been given the horn enquiring about its history. I personally have not seen this type and through searching cannot categorically identify it.
Possibly from Italy, early 1930’s this may be a rare Leonildo Desidera & Figli - Verona Italy.
Serial number 30 .71
1930 was the first year of manufacturing for LD & F. Possibly number 71
It’s got some seriously old McCormack's reed cards in the box (Glasgow), they closed in the 80's so I don't think it’s an Eastern job. I spotted the crack as well, can get my finger nail into it.
That’s not a crack in the metal. The soldered joint has become detached.
Anyway all that aside if anyone does recognise the instrument at all I’m just trying to get some history for the owners! Seems I’ve opened a can of worms
Not a can of worms to myself and a few others that enjoy a good research project. Although I can be a grumpy old Scott and stubborn old boar. Not today 😉

There are build details that I see as Italian or French. Post 1930 but before 1940-42. That body to bell brace is a very unique one. Automatic octave system, a young modern maker 1930-42 ? The elongated / oval pillar plates seem unique. The single wire guard on Lo C would have an olive pit shaped cork on the wire. Not felt. The side C key arm shape, side F# fingernail, no front F, no trill keys are all small clues.
If this is a low pitch alto it should measure about 20-1/2 inches as measured inside the case. Bow to top of receiver. Center of B to center of D tone hole @ 307mm LP, 300mm Is likely HP.

The best person I know to ask about your unique alto is Café member @milandro .
Welcome to the Café. Thanks for sharing a unique saxophone to study.
Off to have a dram of Irish Whiskey.
 
I am not sure this is a Desidera, I have seen that bell to body brace before and it was an Italian made Stowasser , which then became the Desidera company of Verona. Anyway old Italian saxophone
Thanks for chiming in.
I know we’ve seen this body brace before….but where ??? I’ll keep digging. I miss my archives (lost everything June 2025).
I know of the relationship between Desidera & Stowasser but couldn’t find pictures of either. Grrr.
 

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