Tech/maintenance Well that's a first!

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Got a job on the go - a mid '60s Selmer MkVI tenor. It's in for a general shakedown and as part of the job I'm resoldering the crook clamp. This is a very common job, particularly for Selmers - which seem to suffer quite badly from selective galvanic corrosion on this part.
I couldn't even begin to count how many times I've done this job down the years. It's always the same process; unsolder the clamp, clean all the mating surfaces, smear with flux then fit to the receiver - taking care to align the break in the clamp with the slot in the the receiver. Clamp it up and have at it with the solder. Clean up and lube the screws. Job's done.

And that's exactly the procedure I followed on this horn. And it failed. Got halfway through the cleanup process and noticed that the clamp had come away near the slot.
Must have been bad prep. No big deal - just annoying. Take it off, clean it up, do it again. Which I did.
It failed again!
***???

Took it off again and had a closer look at the clamp - and noticed that there was hardly any solder sticking to it...just a dark grey film.
Cleaned it all up and decided to 'wet' the clamp with solder before refitting it - and that's when I discovered that the solder was simply balling up and rolling off the clamp. It just wouldn't stick.
I've never seen anything like it on a horn - ever.
At this point I started to think that the clamp might be made out of something exotic. Usually it's nickel silver or brass - but I've seen red brass and bronze used for decorative effect. All of these metals will soft solder just fine. This had to be aluminium bronze.
I've never seen it used on a horn before, so haven't got the right products handy to effect a good soldering joint - but what I did have was some solder for aluminium. I figured I could use this as a base layer if I could get it to stick to the clamp - and thereafter use leaded solder to blend in and secure the part. It's worked in the past with aluminium, should be worth a go - right?

aluminium bronze crook clamp.webp


So here it is, all primed up. Looks a mess, I know, but that solder just doesn't flow. I scraped it down a little to allow the clamp to fit on the receiver, bunged some heat on and teased the clamp down into place as the solder melted. Topped it up with leaded solder and bingo! Job's a good un.
Took the clamp screw out, popped a wedge in the slot and gave it a twist. The joint held - and then I thought I'd give it a bit of a bigger twist...y'know, just to make sure. And crack...there goes the joint.

I've got a pot of special active flux on order - which ought to solve the problems. It had better do or the customer's going to be a bit miffed!
Thing is though, why on earth was this horn fitted with an aluminium bronze crook clamp? I mean, why?? It's a pig of a material to work with in the first place - and if it was a standard fitment I'd have seen hundreds of them by now. A factory special option perhaps? Even then I think I'd have seen at least a handful over the years.
It just doesn't make any sense at all.
 
Well that's a bit of a PITA. And as it's a high-value, vintage horn, I guess you need to do it properly. On a nondescript sax, I'd be tempted to clean it up and use epoxy, but I guess that wouldn't be acceptable on a Selmer Mk VI........

I cannot imagine why such an unsuitable material would be used. I've heard of aluminium bronze being chosen for use in some environments, such as marine, but for a sax?
 
Aluminum bronze needs a special flux so it has been soldered knowingly, it is not an error in the casting department. If it is a part that suffers from galvanic corrosion I can imagine someone tried to use a material that is less corrosive, shiny and without verdigris such as aluminum bronze. But for reasons unknown the experiment didn't stick?
 
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Can you tell whether it's original Selmer from the factory ? Could it be some dodgy replacement part ? But if so, the question still stands as to why it's made of aluminium bronze.

That reminds me, I need to book in my MkVI tenor for a visit.

Rhys
I can't be a 'dodgy' part - no-one in their right mind would make it out of aluminium bronze. It has to be a factory option.
 
Aluminum bronze needs a special flux so it has been soldered knowingly, it is not an error in the casting department. If it is a part that suffers from galvanic corrosion I can imagine someone tried to use a material that is less corrosive, shiny and without verdigris such as aluminum bronze. But for reasons unknown the experiment didn't stick?
It's not the part that corrodes, it's the solder - and you'd use the same kind of solder on this part as you would on a standard nickel silver clamp. It's just the flux that needs to be different.
 
Well that's a bit of a PITA. And as it's a high-value, vintage horn, I guess you need to do it properly. On a nondescript sax, I'd be tempted to clean it up and use epoxy, but I guess that wouldn't be acceptable on a Selmer Mk VI........

I cannot imagine why such an unsuitable material would be used. I've heard of aluminium bronze being chosen for use in some environments, such as marine, but for a sax?
High or low value, it's got to be done properly...but I may yet have to resort to epoxy (at least as a temporary fix).
It'll work for a while - but only a while.
 
As someone else said, it might be appropriate to replace it with a brass or nickel-silver one, just so the next guy doesn't have to deal with this. How it got made of the mystery material, just this one, is an interesting question. Maybe they were evaluating it as a possible change, made up a small number, and then decided not to pursue it.
 
As someone else said, it might be appropriate to replace it with a brass or nickel-silver one, just so the next guy doesn't have to deal with this. How it got made of the mystery material, just this one, is an interesting question. Maybe they were evaluating it as a possible change, made up a small number, and then decided not to pursue it.
I'm not too worried about the next guy at this stage in my life. The clamp has made it to sixty years before it failed - I'll be way past caring about anything in another 60 years 😉

But yeah, a small trial production run might have been the reason...which makes this horn quite rare!!
I'll pump the client for the backstory when he picks it up. Maybe it was made for an Admiral of the navy 🙂
 
I'm not too worried about the next guy at this stage in my life. The clamp has made it to sixty years before it failed - I'll be way past caring about anything in another 60 years 😉

But yeah, a small trial production run might have been the reason...which makes this horn quite rare!!
I'll pump the client for the backstory when he picks it up. Maybe it was made for an Admiral of the navy 🙂
As it’s a clamp it was probably made for the vice admiral.
 

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