Saxophones The Fabulous Conn mezzo soprano in F

[jcn664]

Why you choose for woman and children to créât an another saxophone with different tonality in F, when all sax don't play in F and the majority of instrument isn't in F, you create New difficulty to learn musical with hard transposite for beginner.

It makes no sens for me, you create an other option, the simplificated system in alto,

 

[thomsax]

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[thomsax]

I don't think it was specially for woman and children, and it's perfect too, because it was very more expensive than alto and children, and sorry, but at this period who work, wo have money, who is dominante in family at 1928-1930. It was essentially a man.

It was complicated for woman to pay one, it was more expensive, it's okay for richess woman, and richess children

I think it's better to create one another product to replace c melody or soprano and oriented this New product for a new market : the orchestral. With this product, i think it's more for attracting the classical player in orchestral with this instrument, that for woman and children. At this period the selling of soprano and c melody fall and it's probably to replace this two product without great sell, it decided to create this horn with different orientation : the classical player with the classical orchestral band.
If in originally, it was for children, or woman, my asking is why create conn-o-sax which absolutely not adapted for Child and "woman" too.

Maybe it's more a projection to opportuniny to create a new market with classical player and orchestral band.

And other question, why it choose F tonality if it's perfect adaptated for woman and children, why don't take an alto in Eb and simplificated system to win in tall, without all keys, just with low D at high C, couesnon made at this period an alto with simplificated system, and it's "baby horn" because is shorter than alto in Eb but without plenty keys : in low, 'it stopped at low D flat and it grow up max High D flat.

With less key, you're shorter alto in Eb.

Why you don' t choose a simplificated system, humm for me, conn mezzo soprano is more adapted for classical player and to replace english cor and French cor (basson) which has it period and today too, it was long to product, it was expensive to buy one, and you have long time waiting to received one.

With conn mezzo soprano, it was modern, it was adapted for classical and it could be product in mass easily if the production is success, and it cheapest than French cor, than english cor, or basson.

Maybe to have another choice at oboe too.
Or create a new market for classical player, that at this period the saxophone wasn't greatly accepted by classical orchestre.

It's just my theory based on logical fact

A saxophone was out of reach for most Americans and also Europeans back in the 10's or 20's. The saxophone market peaked in the early mid 20's. Lots of competence , skilled workers, designers, marketers ... at the saxophones (music instrument) manufactures. The saxophone was a big part of the new music industry; jazz. The jazz music gave us new Eb and Bb saxes in the 30's designed for big bands and big dance halls ..... later a sax should sound good at recordings as well ..... it was the music industry that took over the "stick".

C.G. Conn sold his company (ies) around 1915. During the sax mania decade it was some persons from other businesses which owned and controlled C.G. Conn Ltd. Carl Greenleaf, a successful flour-mill owner from Ohio, and other investors who made the big expand of the Conn company. They bought Buescher as well in the early 20's.

It was just the C melody that reached a popularity. With the C melody it was possible to play the singing lines without transposing. Many C-melodies saxes and pianos were heard from many middle-class and upper middle class homes back in the 20's and 30's. My personal opinion is that most of the rare saxes and models were more something to increase the interest for saxes. When I was working in a music shop most saxplayers/parents started to look and talk about Selmers, Yanagisawas, King Super 20 (fully pearl) ..... and then they bought a Yamaha or Jupiter student sax.

A Bb tenor saxophone is very close to male voicing pitch.

 

[jcn664]

A saxophone was out of reach for most Americans and also Europeans back in the 10's or 20's. The saxophone market peaked in the early mid 20's. Lots of competence , skilled workers, designers, marketers ... at the saxophones (music instrument) manufactures. The saxophone was a big part of the new music industry; jazz. The jazz music gave us new Eb and Bb saxes in the 30's designed for big bands and big dance halls ..... later a sax should sound good at recordings as well ..... it was the music industry that took over the "stick".

C.G. Conn sold his company (ies) around 1915. During the sax mania decade it was more persons from other businesses which owned and controlled C.G. Conn Ltd. Carl Greenleaf, a successful flour-mill owner from Ohio, and other investors who made the big expand of the Conn company. They bought Buescher as well in the early 20's.

It was just the C melody that reached a popularity. With the C melody it was possible to play the singing lines without transposing. Many C-melodies saxes and pianos were heard from many middle-class and upper middle class homes back in the 20's and 30's. My personal opinion is that most of the rare saxes and models were more something to increase the interest for saxes. When I was working in a music shop most saxplayers/parents started to look and talk about Selmers, Yanagisawas, King Super 20 (fully pearl) ..... and then they bought a Yamaha or Jupiter student sax.

A Bb tenor saxophone is very close to male voicing pitch.

But it was made 1927, and the market of soprano declined and c melody declined too.

Why you create this just to give the interest of sax, you will loose money. It makes no sense about the logical strategy to create business.

But you can create if you want going into New market or create a new opportunity for extended market. And with Saxophone in F, the logical is the classical orchestral band, to have one product Best adapted for classical and when you play conn mezzo soprano in F, you have this really feeling classical sound not jazz sound. It's sound no like jazz but very classical.

That is just my thinking.

 

[thomsax]

There were saxophone makers that lost money on every prestige sax they made. As long as the parent company did well it was ok. Maybe a loss deduction was worth more for the parent company than a small profit? With a loss deduction the parent company made less profit and didn't paid so much tax?

Back to saxes. I'm really glad that you can buy your "dream saxes". The Conn Mezzo Soprano was on my list for many years. Just couldn't find one. So was the Conn-O-Sax as well. I was close to get one. Another guy was faster. I didn't play my C saxes so much. A friend, into folk music, borrowed them for some years. One day I told him I was ready to sell them.

You can play jazz, rock, classical ..... on Bb, C, Eb or F saxes. The sax man, Jazz and R&B, Willis "Gator Tail" Jackson had what he called a gator horn. It was a Conn-O-Sax he used to call the gators with. A guy told me that there are about 200 hundreds known Conn-O-Sax today. So they are also rare. Meant to be like a heckelphone. Extra high F# and G keys.

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[skeller047]

Regarding the saxophone in F under discussion, I don’t call it “mezzo” anything. I call it an alto. I think Messr. Sax did too…