Intonation How to play the saxophone in tune

I was at a show recently where the saxophonist, playing bari (I don't think it was their main horn) had a persistent squeak. They adjusted the reed during someone else's solo -- still squeaked. But I was impressed that it still didn't stop them from going for it during their solo.
 
Is this the right thread for a current 'playing in tune question', or should my question go into a new thread?

Wanted to ask, with the current warm weather, how do people manage to play in tune, if so?

I've already gotten out my old Link HR which has a narrower bore so I can pull it off further (temporarily abandoning my PPT which has a longer shank, but is so wide it just wobbles off the edge when trying to tune the horn at 32 degrees Celsius room temp ...) I also feel like I'm close to getting a cramp in the back of my mouth from trying to voice it down so the tuner is happy ...

Anyone got recommendations or a similar experience? Is it me, or is it just that difficult?
Well, seeing as it's a more specific question, ie about tuning and weather, maybe a new thread is best so I'll move it to a brand new tuning and hot weather thread.

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Saxophones do not play out of tune. People play out of tune.
I've played saxes that are extremely out-of-tune, beyond my ability to correct.

Example, my 1952 (estimated year) Model 37 Beaugnier Vito Low-Bb bari, when I received it was very out-of-tune. (It was a repairer's fixer-upper / parts horn, paid $315 shipping included.) Over time, I removed the various dents, straightened the misaligned key racks, adjusted pad heights. A good number of pads were set way too high.

After going through this TLC, now it is extremely easy to play in tune. Playing altissimo is a joy now on this horn.

When I was a member of the 264th Army Band, Honolulu, Hawaii, we had about 7 or 8 old Buescher saxes, appeared to be at least 10 years old, maybe older. Near the end of their life cycle, they were due for removal from our inventory once new replacement saxes arrived. (Army had supply regulations on age of musical equipment eligible to be withdrawn, don't remember details - 14 years?)

Meanwhile, they were available for checkout. I tried several. They were so badly in need of COA, that I had great difficulty playing them in tune.

I finally checked out a good one, different make/model in newer better condition, a tenor sax (for stage band, played 2nd tenor). That was over 40 years ago, can't remember the brand or model.
I'm always in tune, even when I'm not. The rest of the band, who can say. They do their own thing. Drummer never tunes up and the piano is flat.
I love your expressions of humour! :thumb:

I found this interesting quote on SOTW (without an account I have read-only access):

Gary (SOTW Post #14) wrote:
I have a friend who played many tears with the Philadelphia Orch. I asked him,
"How do you guys play so well in tune?" He replied,
"We don't play in tune. We play out of tune together."

It goes along with what @Colin the Bear stated. 😉
Almost every Clarinetist who switches to Sax comes with "embouchureitis" a focus on what the mouth, teeth, jaw are doing.. If you really want to play Sax well play Low Bb with a full mf - f sound and FILL the horn up. 10 minutes each practice session and you WILL develop an completely different appreciation of the role of AIR!
I am not sure how you came up with such a generalisation.
 
@ghostler John Talcott (jbtsax) passed on two years ago.
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John was a wise man. I had many interesting conversations with him over the years, on SOTW … AND on a Google mouthpiece forum that is now dead. We often agreed, though not always. He was thoughtful, considerate and kind, but he always spoke his mind and stuck to his guns.

We can do him no greater honor than to keep his memory alive by commenting on and adding to his ideas. I’m sorry you didn’t get to know him, even virtually, @ghostler. I think you would have liked him.
 
Regarding Joe Allard, many great saxophonists and clarinetists studied with him. He was one of the most well-respected players in New York, from the mid 40s until he mostly retired from playing in the mid 60s. He played with the NBC orchestra on radio and TV for over 20 years. Including 5 years under Toscanini. After stopping gigging full time, he taught for the next 20 years at most of the major music schools in New York, and also at New England Conservatory. In other words, he is not just an “esteemed music teacher”, but is widely considered “THE esteemed saxophone and clarinet teacher”.

Ed Joffe, a Broadway musical musician and well known educator, has an online course dedicated to Allard’s teachings (he studied with Allard.) Joffe also has a series of video interviews with many of the very best woodwind players in the world, some of whom also studied with Allard, and his name is often brought up in these interviews. Ed created the very first post-graduate degree program in Woodwind Doubling in America. Now many conservatories and music schools have this kind of degree, many of them use Joffe’s books as texts. Go look up Joffe Woodwinds online and on YouTube, you won’t be sorry.
 

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