Better tongue technique

If I broke up the steps of learning a scale (and the same could apply to an articulation pattern), it'd go like this:

1. memorise the note names of the scale from book. Close the book.
2. play scale slowly on a keyboard (transposition on so it sounds the same pitch as the sax I'm playing) the full range of notes I can play on sax
3. hum/sing along as I play this scale slowly
4. pick up the sax and play same notes from memory

Steps 5-zillion; variations: from each note of scale, in all 12 keys, various articulations, dynamics, speed, embellishments, intervallics... imagination!

This attempts to avoid the 'fingers do the walkin' / mind leading body' approach which removes 'listening' from the workout.

Sight reading scales? This is a classical hangup. In the classical world you play everything as written, the page leads the musician. Aimed at exams. So no surprise then that James Rae is the author of several 'classically inspired' books of dead pan etudes, popular with classically inspired examination boards and their grades.

You'd only do that to get the sound / pattern into your memory. If it's already there, move on! See Steps 5-zillion above and think how long it'll take to achieve these. So there's plenty else to do.

And this is only the notes - this isn't even really music! There's nothing to be gained from playing scales over n over by reading from a page. You'll get bored, that'll come through in your playing, and worst, you ears will switch off.

If you had a speech to give, would you check a dictionary over and over for each word and expect to improve the speech? Never worked for me.

Simon

PS Another approach is to completely ignore all the scale practice, and build up a library of tunes, licks etc that you hear as part of your vocab and can play because you want to play them (as opposed to being told 'these notes work together').

When you think about it, this is what we're trying to achieve anyway. The scale / technique approach can eventually be music (if you get into Steps 5-zillion as well) or it can be (and sound) like a bunch of technically spasms that no-one much likes listening to (if you get stuck on Steps 1-4).

PPS Sorry bout the rant.

SaxNut wrote:
Hi Simon, the book just arrived and it certainly looks to have the lot.
As a different slant on written V memorised scales, I've been doing a bit of work with my teacher on James Rae's "Scale Model". Because I've always played scales from memory, I found it really hard to play it at full speed. I kept running on down or up the scale in question past the turn as it were. She'll be pleased I've bought this book as she suggested I do a bit of scale practice from the written page to try to break the habit and, hopefully, improve my sight-reading discipline.
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Well Simon, you got me there. The James Rae thing was one option for my Grade 5 pieces.

Any forum members out there who are also members of thesaxophoneclub Yahoo forum will know my story.
First off I'm a (very) late starter and I'm trying hard to make up for lost time.
I have a fabulous teacher, a classical player herself but who works with me on anything and everything saxophone. My scales and sight-reading and general aural skills have improved dramatically through working towards my grades because I'm a lazy sod and it gives me a focus.
Playing with the band is a complete contrast to the classical stuff. I love the way you have to work with each other as a unit and my improvising and soloing are coming on in leaps and bounds. I've gained sooooo much confidence from playing with the band in front of the paying public.

All in all I'd say I have the best of both worlds.

Thanks for the suggestions on learning scales, it goes way beyond what I've done to date. I have used the keyboard to get into singing intervals (for those exams 😉) and will give that a go for scale learning along the lines you suggest.

Excellent rant by the way, however, did you not just sell me a book that entails sight-reading scales? :erm:
 
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Hi SaxNut

Yep, you'll need the book to read the dots to learn the note names and patterns (Step 1). Once you've got those, close the book.

That's about as far as you go with books - read the dots, memorise, close. If you get sick of having to open the book then try harder to remember... 😉 Look for patterns in the notes - shapes, jumps, visualise the keyboard and the shapes you make if you played the keys on it... etc.

The point being, the book doesn't do the thinking for yer. It's a reference - it's only a book after all.

Simon

SaxNut wrote:
Well Simon, you got me there. The James Rae thing was one option for my Grade 5 pieces.

Any forum members out there who are also members of thesaxophoneclub Yahoo forum will know my story.
First off I'm a (very) late starter and I'm trying hard to make up for lost time.
I have a fabulous teacher, a classical player herself but who works with me on anything and everything saxophone. My scales and sight-reading and general aural skills have improved dramatically through working towards my grades because I'm a lazy sod and it gives me a focus.
Playing with the band is a complete contrast to the classical stuff. I love the way you have to work with each other as a unit and my improvising and soloing are coming on in leaps and bounds. I've gained sooooo much confidence from playing with the band in front of the paying public.

All in all I'd say I have the best of both worlds.

Thanks for the suggestions on learning scales, it goes way beyond what I've done to date. I have used the keyboard to get into singing intervals (for those exams 😉) and will give that a go for scale learning along the lines you suggest.

Excellent rant by the way, however, did you not just sell me a book that entails sight-reading scales? :erm:
 
Thanks Simon, all noted and, as it's a thread about tongue technique, please note mine was firmly stuck in my cheek when I made my my last comment 🙂
 

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