Saxophone beginners What is HONKY TONK music ?!.....is it Jazz ?

[saxofiend]

Well I might try to pass myself off as a jazzer but my soul belongs to rock music. Disappointed about the money and fame though.

Can you play stairway to heaven on Sax ? Must sound good !

 

[saxofiend]

But the saxophone on Bill Doggett's "Honky Tonk" was played by Clifford Scott and he was the true legend. And the guitar was played by Billy Butler. Doggett played the organ and led the band.

I think that Parts 1 and 2 were on the A and B sides of the single disc.

Rhys

Jimmy Smith quartet do as well on you tube .Again that tenor sounds awesome ! Just love the energy and vibe etc..kind wishes

 

[Jimmymack]

Can you play stairway to heaven on Sax ? Must sound good !

There's rock and there's rock. I slept through Led Zeppelin at the Bath festival back in the day and never regretted it. I was only woken up for the last song by somebody kicking me in my kidneys as they tapped their foot. Everybody else seemed to be standing.

 

[Dave Dunn]

There's rock and there's rock. I slept through Led Zeppelin at the Bath festival back in the day and never regretted it. I was only woken up for the last song by somebody kicking me in my kidneys as they tapped their foot. Everybody else seemed to be standing.

'Cause the last song in the set was usually the song "Rock n Roll"!
I found a pretty horrible version of me singing it at a party gig circa 1990

http://5foot10.net/music/headcase/rock%20n%20roll.mp3

 

[Tenor Viol]

Defining musical genres is always difficult. Part of that is no one realises a new genre is being created since it just evolves out of whatever is around. Musicologists get headaches over it. It's incredibly difficult to define classical music, let alone jazz and its many related genres.

For example, many people label anything that is loosely 'Western art music' as 'classical'. I'd describe it as the music of the classical era which is roughly 1750 - 1820. Baroque is roughly 1600 - 1750, but there's the pesky rococo - where does that fit? It's a transitional style of 1720 - 1770 ish, but not all composers followed it. Both Bach and Handel coudl have written rococo style music and didn't. The Romantic era (which in literature and architecture is called Gothic) is roughly 1820 to 1870 or 1949 if you take it as the death of Richard Strauss. This means that music by Beethoven and Schubert, both writing in the 1820s could be labelled as 'Romantic' but most would say not.

My impression had been that honky tonk - especially piano - had come through music hall / vaudeville in late C19th via ragtime etc. But I'll admit it's not something I know that much about.

 

[John Setchell]

But the saxophone on Bill Doggett's "Honky Tonk" was played by Clifford Scott and he was the true legend. And the guitar was played by Billy Butler. Doggett played the organ and led the band.

I think that Parts 1 and 2 were on the A and B sides of the single disc.

Rhys

I love Clifford Scott’s tone, no matter what genre he’s playing. Something to aspire to...

 

[TimboSax]

I remember keyboards/synths back in the day usually had different flavours of piano and there was often a honky tonk piano in there (it might even have been part of the GM midi standard?). Sounded plinky plonky (stop me if I get too technical), often with a bit of crap chorus thrown in.

I must admit I never used it.

 

[Colin the Bear]

Honky Tonk Angels...yeah. Country. Or... Dick Emery?

View: https://youtu.be/GkHYApbbdL0

 

[jbtsax]

Before the early rock music became transformed by straight eighth notes in the rhythm it brought forward the "shuffle beat" from the earlier styles. That style was then adopted by the country and country rock genre and today we have lots of "golden oldies" that are great shuffle tunes to dance to Kansas City, Rock Around the Clock, and Bad Bad Leroy Brown. When that beat was slowed down it became the 12/8 meter "triplet feel" that characterized many of the rock ballads, but it still retained the "back beats" on 2 and 4.

 

[6441]

2 and 4.

Except in France where the audience always claps on the 1 and 3, driving musicians crazy! Brilliant transition from 1&3 to 2&4. The audience is clapping on 1&3 but at 0:40 he throw a single bar in 5/4 and the magic is done.. The audience is now clapping on 2&4. Friends don't let friends clap on 1&3

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UinRq_29jPk

By the way, what is Boogie Woogie?

 

[spike]

By the way, what is Boogie Woogie?

I don't know but here's Pinetop Perkins with his boogie,

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntuZLf2lnqM

 

[thomsax]

Here is Daniel Glass demostrating the shuffle beat to straight 8ths, surf beat ...... .

View: https://youtu.be/64u4ETmKNNA

 

[John Setchell]

I don't know but here's Pinetop Perkins with his boogie,

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntuZLf2lnqM

Brilliant.
Left hand like a steam hammer.

 

[John Setchell]

Except in France where the audience always claps on the 1 and 3, driving musicians crazy! Brilliant transition from 1&3 to 2&4. The audience is clapping on 1&3 but at 0:40 he throw a single bar in 5/4 and the magic is done.. The audience is now clapping on 2&4. Friends don't let friends clap on 1&3

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UinRq_29jPk

By the way, what is Boogie Woogie?

Yeah, 1 - 3 drives you nuts doesn’t it?
Kinda New Orleans marching band though, and Leon Russel has made a career out of it!
Playing keys solos and now sax chops I try to start somewhere unpredictable - two-and or four etc.

 

[Colin the Bear]

Boogie Woogie...Child of Stride. 😉

 

[AngelMaldonado]

I was at a workshop once when the leader decided to ask if pop music could be jazz and saying that he wasn't sure if what he did could still be called jazz, he's one of those ECM type players. The general opinion, such as it was, was that yes pop could sometimes be jazz but beyond that who cares?

 

[Colin the Bear]

But...jazz was pop before pop was pop. Innit?

 

[PigSquealer]

I’m a little late to the party but I have a few tidbits to add.

Article below from here

What is a Honky-Tonk? | Opry

Explore the origin of Lower Broadway's beloved institutions and how these bars are forever linked to country music history.

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BY KATIE QUINE • AUGUST 15, 2019

Explore the origin of Lower Broadway’s beloved institutions and how these bars are forever linked to country music history.​

Aside from Ryman Auditorium and the Grand Ole Opry House, there are few places steeped in the lore of country music as much as honky-tonks. But first things first: What even is a honky-tonk? If you weren’t born and raised in a musical hotbed like Nashville, Luckenbach, or Bakersfield, “honky-tonk” can be a head-scratcher. To complicate matters, it has two different definitions.
The word as we know it today is used most often to describe a bar in which country music is played. The headshots that line the walls are yellowed and the wooden dance floor creaks beneath your feet, but the beer is cold, the music is good, and inside these iconic institutions, the artists who take the stage are all chasing a dream.
It’s been this way since the days of Patsy Cline. One of Lower Broadway’s first honky-tonks, Tootsie’s Orchid Lounge was well positioned to serve as the Ryman’s unofficial green room, sharing an alleyway with the Mother Church of Country Music. When the Ryman played host to the Grand Ole Opry, performers often entered through the backdoor of Tootsie’s, where they could cut loose and play a few tunes that were different from those in their Opry set.
For as long as honky-tonks have existed, they’ve symbolized the democratic nature of country music. Blue collar, white collar, or no collar, patrons can enjoy live music for the price of a single beer while artists and songwriters have historically tinkered with new instrumentation and themes in their music.
In fact, the distinctive sounds that reverberate off the walls of honky-tonks are said to have fueled the creation of a musical style by the very same name. The honky-tonk genre, which gained widespread appeal in the 1950s, is best known for its emphasis on rhythm. Because pianos in these no-frills bars were often beat-up and out of tune, harmony and melody weren’t as important to the overall sound. A traditional honky-tonk song, such as Ernest Tubb’s “I’m Walking The Floor Over You” or Hank Williams’ “Your Cheatin’ Heart,” is saturated with the sounds of a steel guitar, fiddle, and yes — heartache. Though the exact origin of the word “honky-tonk” is unclear, a popular theory suggests that it’s is an onomatopoeic nod to the loud, unrestrained style of music that poured out of these bars.
These unique venues have been immortalized in classics like Kitty Wells’ “It Wasn’t God Who Made Honky Tonk Angels,” which you can still hear being performed at the reverential Robert’s Western World. Today, many contemporary hit-makers pay homage to their humble honky-tonk beginnings with lyrics such as those from Jason Aldean’s “Crazy Town.”
“Pay your dues and you play for free,
And you pray for a honky-tonk destiny,
You cut your teeth in the smoky bars,
And live off the tips from a pickle jar”
In a poetic turn of events, the artists who played dozens of honky-tonks while hoping to catch their big break are now opening bars of their own on Lower Broadway. Opry members Blake Shelton, Dierks Bentley, and Alan Jackson each have their own institutions — Ole Red, Whiskey Row, and AJ’s Good Time Bar, respectively — as do Jason Aldean, Luke Bryan, and Florida Georgia Line. That’s Music City for you.

 

[Colin the Bear]

Google...copy...paste...

 

[AngelMaldonado]

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