Mouthpieces Gutted: split mouthpiece

QWales · Aug 27, 2014

Colin the Bear said:
It's a paramount jack heyworth super true lay 2A
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Ah OK, I found someone selling the following and thought you might get lucky:

"Le Jaseur" # III.
The unmarked in the middle:"Super Trumpet" (or maybe the model called "Response". Markings have been worn off.)
The one at the right:Just marked Lelandais and #7.

kevgermany · Aug 27, 2014

Really sorry the waterweld didn't stick. Should have done. The mouthpiece I fixed with it is still going strong and that was a couple of years ago.

Ivan · Aug 27, 2014

QWales said:
Ah OK, I found someone selling the following and thought you might get lucky:

"Le Jaseur" # III.
The unmarked in the middle:"Super Trumpet" (or maybe the model called "Response". Markings have been worn off.)
The one at the right:Just marked Lelandais and #7.

The things people put in their mouths!

Colin the Bear · Aug 27, 2014

It might just be the way I've repaired it. I was hesitant about removing all the material from the roll over baffle area and the tip rail. The repair material in that area was pretty thin and maybe that allowed it to flex. I feel more confident in my skills and the waterweld now. I think I'll chase out the repair and extend it the whole way to the tip. Maybe it will affect sound production maybe it won't. Maybe I'll get lucky again and create a sweetheart. At present I have an interesting ornament. I do miss it.

I went for the reeds to try the Absolute and the D'addario. The ones in the post are taking another day. I rang the shop and asked about orange box rico to make sure they had them in the strengths I wanted to try. When I got there they offered me rico royale. I was a bit miffed and tried to explain. Explaining to a keyboard player and a guitarist the difference may have been a pointless exercise.

Tomorrow is another day.

rhysonsax · Aug 27, 2014

Well done Colin !

Ivan · Aug 28, 2014

Colin the Bear said:
I rang the shop and asked about orange box rico to make sure they had them in the strengths I wanted to try. When I got there they offered me rico royale.

Tomorrow is another day.

Colourblind assistant?

aldevis · Aug 28, 2014

No reed-related politics, please.

Colin the Bear · Sep 7, 2014

It seems I need to think things through and let ideas ferment for longer these days. Having an emotional link with the thing doesn't help. I finally got my repair head back on and gave it another go.

I was worried about affecting playability and didn't want to change the tip rail and baffle but after the last repair attempt failed, I decided to chase out the old repair and extend the slot right through the beak into the tip rail. I made the slot a little wider this time.

I taped up the inside of the baffle and extended it right over the tip rail, applied the waterweld and sculpted it with a knife on the outside, a bit like buttering bread, to get it close.

After an hour to let it cure the gentle process of removing the tape and the excess filler began. The outside was very easy to shape with a fine file but what to do for the tip rail and baffle. I had a root in the tool boxes and came up with some riffler files. Small , fine and curved. I also found a fine stone that I used to use for sharpening various modeling knives. I got it close and then left it for a day for the waterweld to harden

I've watched several youtube videos on mouthpieces being refaced so had an idea of the general process. The inside cleaned up very nicely. Smoothing out the tip rail made me very nervous. It was one pass on the stone and close inspect under a magnifying glass. Maybe a dozen passes to remove 0.25mm. It cleaned up very nicely and I'm quite impressed with myself.

It blows strong and clear. I took it on a lunchtime gig yesterday playing with a trio, Bass guitar and guitar and it perfomed if anything better yet. I had a solo gig last night with the backing tapes. Isn't that the way? Nothing for weeks then two on the same day. It played great. It still has the great projection when pushed that I liked but a new softer side has appeared when playing quietly. Delicate and sweet.

I've had a good look at it and the repair seems to be holding. Fingers crossed. Again.

jonf · Sep 7, 2014

Glad to hear the update. Fingers crossed for you here, too.

Jeanette · Sep 7, 2014

Great news Colin

Jx

chequetere · Sep 13, 2014

That's great news! Well done for not giving up on it! 🙂

Colin the Bear · Oct 13, 2014

Well... it's let go again. 3 gigs this week too.

I've chased out the old repair and lightly roughed up the area around the hole inside and out. Scored some ribs across the slot and filled the lot with waterweld. I've taken the waterweld across the whole width of the beak on the outside. It's such a slim piece I didn't think added thickness will cause any problems playing wise.

Some emery paper arrived in a selection of grades earlier in the week and I thought I'd try the fine emery on glass method for refacing. 2000 is very fine and produced good results. I think I've got it somewhere near. Polished inside and out and leveled the table, which I hadn't noticed before was a little hollow and twisted.

The facing is obviously slightly different and the sound is a little different but no more so than reed variation. I think I may have opened it slightly but was quite surprised when I tried the pop test. It holds for several seconds and lets go with a resounding POP, which it never did before. The sound has gone a little darker and more mellow. Which I don't mind a bit.

It's blowing ok and still pops but I'll be packing a backup for the forseeable future. Fingers crossed ...again.

c9off · Dec 17, 2014

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281524574091?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Not sure if this is the same but:

Although originating down under, delivery is only $20 - it doesn't seem popular?!

Colin the Bear · Dec 17, 2014

Thanks for that. Mine is similar to the one on the left in the picture of three above. Jack Heyworth or Le Jasseur Toneking with the metal shank.

The reinforced repair is still holding and it's playing great. The more I get used to the new facing, the darker it gets. It's lovely as a solo piece but blends and disappears sound wise when playing with the band. I was using it last night with just me and a trumpet on the front line. I switched between baritone, clarinet and tenor for the ensemble parts and saved the alto for solos.