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This is hopefully cooling music for those of you suffering from the heat.

It's another one of those Play by ear types. There are no changes and the underlying chord structure is "vast" so it allows for a very wide range of interpretation. The tempo is ultra slow, so no need to work up a sweat.

A suggestion for all of the tunes played by ear is to first hum/sing something that you think fits. Then try to play something similar on your horn. The purpose of this exercise is to help you play what you hear... first hear what to play!

I'll just post the template for now and in a few days I'll post my interpretation of it.

Enjoy!
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Jeanette
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Jeanette
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C
Last reply · posted in Saxophones: gear, playing, repair, impro
Been playing a year now and looking at getting a wireless clip on mic. The Isolo Choice mic comes with mic, transmitter and receiver WITH effects like echo and reverb. Thinking of getting one but concerned will it be ok in the UK it ships from Taiwan. Assuming the 9v power supply can be used in UK. It’s the effects I am after. Anyone in UK bought one they are £425. Thanks . Chris.
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John Laughter
SAM ASH website. Product info;

You Are Now Free to Roam About the Stage.
Featuring the world's smallest clip-on transmitter with a shockmounted microphone and adjustable gooseneck, this frequency-agile UHF wireless system provides high definition sound and 300' of reliable wireless operation for saxophones, trumpets, trombones and other wind instruments.

ATX-tend Your Reach
The AWX system continues Samson's longstanding commitment to wireless innovation. Designed to be an extension of your instrument rather than a separate component, the ATX Wireless Transmitter clips directly to your instrument bell with no beltpack or cable necessary and lets you rule the stage with confidence. It provides infrared sync to wirelessly match the receiver and transmitter frequency, easily accessible Gain and Mute controls, a battery life LED indicator and an 8-hour rechargeable lithium-ion battery.

Mic the Wind
The ATX transmitter features a HM60 condenser microphone with 3-point halo isolation mount to minimize any noise caused by mechanical vibration. The mic capsule offers a supercardioid pickup pattern that handles up to 125dB SPL, ideal for handling the sudden attack of wind instruments. The HM60 also offers an 8.5" adjustable gooseneck (with P3 connector) for optimal mic placement in front of your instrument’s bell.

Road-agile
Offering frequency-agile operation, the system's rack mountable CR99 Wireless Receiver provides 80 selectable channels for reliable performance no matter where you are. The receiver's True RF Diversity design minimizes dropouts, while tone key technology prevents unwanted noise when your transmitter is off or out of range.

AWX Wind Instrument System
  • Frequency-agile UHF wireless system
  • 80 operating channels across 24MHz bandwidth
  • Clips directly to instrument bell (no beltpack or cable required)
  • HM60 condenser microphone capsule with supercardioid pickup pattern
  • Up to eight simultaneous systems per frequency band (region dependent)
  • AC adapter and rackmount kit included
Get your Samson AWX Wind Instrument Wireless System today at the guaranteed lowest price from Sam Ash Direct with our 45-day return and 60-day price protection policy.

WARNING: This product contains DEHP, a chemical known to the State of California to cause birth defects and other reproductive harm.

Things You Will Get:
  • CR99 Wireless Receiver
  • ATX Wireless Transmitter
  • HM60 Condenser Microphone
  • 8.5" Gooseneck w/P3 connector
  • Removable 1/4-wave antennas
  • WindscreenAC adapter
  • Rackmount kit
  • Owner's Manual
See all Samson Instrument Wireless Systems
T
SAM ASH website. Product info;

You Are Now Free to Roam About the Stage.
Featuring the world's smallest clip-on transmitter with a shockmounted microphone and adjustable gooseneck, this frequency-agile UHF wireless system provides high definition sound and 300' of reliable wireless operation for saxophones, trumpets, trombones and other wind instruments.

ATX-tend Your Reach
The AWX system continues Samson's longstanding commitment to wireless innovation. Designed to be an extension of your instrument rather than a separate component, the ATX Wireless Transmitter clips directly to your instrument bell with no beltpack or cable necessary and lets you rule the stage with confidence. It provides infrared sync to wirelessly match the receiver and transmitter frequency, easily accessible Gain and Mute controls, a battery life LED indicator and an 8-hour rechargeable lithium-ion battery.

Mic the Wind
The ATX transmitter features a HM60 condenser microphone with 3-point halo isolation mount to minimize any noise caused by mechanical vibration. The mic capsule offers a supercardioid pickup pattern that handles up to 125dB SPL, ideal for handling the sudden attack of wind instruments. The HM60 also offers an 8.5" adjustable gooseneck (with P3 connector) for optimal mic placement in front of your instrument’s bell.

Road-agile
Offering frequency-agile operation, the system's rack mountable CR99 Wireless Receiver provides 80 selectable channels for reliable performance no matter where you are. The receiver's True RF Diversity design minimizes dropouts, while tone key technology prevents unwanted noise when your transmitter is off or out of range.

AWX Wind Instrument System
  • Frequency-agile UHF wireless system
  • 80 operating channels across 24MHz bandwidth
  • Clips directly to instrument bell (no beltpack or cable required)
  • HM60 condenser microphone capsule with supercardioid pickup pattern
  • Up to eight simultaneous systems per frequency band (region dependent)
  • AC adapter and rackmount kit included
Get your Samson AWX Wind Instrument Wireless System today at the guaranteed lowest price from Sam Ash Direct with our 45-day return and 60-day price protection policy.

WARNING: This product contains DEHP, a chemical known to the State of California to cause birth defects and other reproductive harm.

Things You Will Get:
  • CR99 Wireless Receiver
  • ATX Wireless Transmitter
  • HM60 Condenser Microphone
  • 8.5" Gooseneck w/P3 connector
  • Removable 1/4-wave antennas
  • WindscreenAC adapter
  • Rackmount kit
  • Owner's Manual
See all Samson Instrument Wireless Systems
My CR99/ATX w HM60 mic for my sax works great indoors but embarrassed me w the excessive wind noise at a packed outdoor event. Is there another wind screen I can put over the existing one or do you have any suggestions ?? I never had this problem with the old airline systems (I had 2) and I want to stick with Samson.
PigSquealer
My CR99/ATX w HM60 mic for my sax works great indoors but embarrassed me w the excessive wind noise at a packed outdoor event. Is there another wind screen I can put over the existing one or do you have any suggestions ?? I never had this problem with the old airline systems (I had 2) and I want to stick with Samson.
Hi NorCal neighbor.
I would try contacting the Samson support directly.
Click on “where to buy” and find a local dealer is another option.
John Laughter
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Reducing wind noise on the Samson HM60 condenser microphone (used in the AirLine AWX wind instrument wireless system) requires physical baffling or filtering since it is a close-up clip-on horn mic exposed to air currents during outdoor or live playing.

How to Reduce Wind Noise on the HM60
    • Use a foam windscreen: Ensure the foam cover that comes with the Samson AirLine AWX Wind Instrument System is snugly fitted over the supercardioid capsule to break up direct airflow. [1, 2, 3]
    • Adjust microphone placement: Use the 8.5-inch gooseneck to angle the capsule slightly away from the direct path of air or wind turbulence coming off the bell of the instrument or the environment. [1, 2]
    • Apply a low-frequency roll-off (high-pass filter): Wind noise is mostly low-frequency rumble; engaging a high-pass filter on your mixer or interface (around 80Hz–100Hz) cuts out the heavy bass thump of the wind. [1]
    • Add a custom mini furry/deadcat: If standard foam isn't enough in high-wind outdoor settings, look for a small custom lavalier-style furry windscreen that can slip over the small HM60 capsule element. [1]
mizmar
Last reply · posted in Saxophones: gear, playing, repair, impro
In an arrangement of Oye Como Va, by Johnny Ferreira we have

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DFDFDFA on the second register, then at the top.

I'm just about stable on D to altisimo A - good exercise for me!

But G is quite far away, fungering wise..
My best alt A is L23+a side key.

How would you approach the fall?

Thanks.
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Pete Effamy
To play a fall - off: using chromatic or diatonic notes - I’d expect one of those squiggly lines (a glissando) to be written. The small curved line would usually mean to bend / “lip” down rather than what I’ve always called a fall - off.

Lip produces a (proper) glissando - a slide. Fingering a fast downward stepwise scale whilst diminuendoing to nothing (and maybe going towards subtone) is what I would call a fall - off.

- if you time your finger movements playing a scale sufficiently behind your embouchure it is possible to play a completely pure slide / glissando like the clarinet, though a lot harder without the open holes. It basically hinges on each note being very flat and that ratio staying as you move up. Same on clarinet really, the sliding fingers is the least of it.

It does depend upon where it is on the horn, who is playing what around you and how long the effect lasts. Trumpets might half valve it if long, which sounds like a slide, but if a “lip down” will probably just flatten that note and let the air go.

It’s like the opposite to a scoop (lip up to pitch, starting maybe a semitone or tone flat).

I think for me, that’s another distinction: the lip off is over a small interval and will be fast. A fall - off might be fast still, but will travel at least a minor 3rd down by end (has to be a chromatic scale or you only have one note in between) to longer, larger fall - offs which, if really big intervals are involved you’ll want to use whole steps more (in order to get anywhere fast enough). To a certain extent, any notes can be used if fingering “in key” is awkward, it will be heard as an effect, if fast enough. Otherwise, a slow(er) fall - off needs to follow harmony more.

The longer the note length the longer the effect. There are things to discuss with a section (if in one) here:

If over say, 4 beats or even longer; when does the effect start (and stop) etc. Will be more important in context for some tunes than others.

It’s not an exact science.
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mizmar
It does depend upon where it is on the horn
I got stuck exactly because this is altisimo A so fungering down to G risks dislocating a finger or tearing a tendon or something and still missing the target... Or takes a lot of practice.
And, mostly, any adjustment - at my level - just causes the note to break into another partial altogether... So, I need some work there.

Which is not to say that your points aren't useful also for the 2nd register A drop... Certainly worth exploring some options.
Pete Effamy
I got stuck exactly because this is altisimo A so fungering down to G risks dislocating a finger or tearing a tendon or something and still missing the target... Or takes a lot of practice.
And, mostly, any adjustment - at my level - just causes the note to break into another partial altogether... So, I need some work there.

Which is not to say that your points aren't useful also for the 2nd register A drop... Certainly worth exploring some options.
As Pete says, being so high the “lip down” is capable of a going a long way. But if you wanted a fingered fall off for a fair range you don’t have to start as a fingered fall off (ie playing G, F# etc - super awkward) - you could start from F, and maybe lip to the F too to make the gap.

If in doubt, find some recorded examples.
mizmar
If in doubt, find some recorded examples
Well, this is from an arrangement/tutorial...

View: https://youtu.be/bsVQXf8dKg0?t=187


And, indeed the two A Falls are quite different...

I should have put that in the original post.
Pete Thomas
Well, this is from an arrangement/tutorial...

View: https://youtu.be/bsVQXf8dKg0?t=187


And, indeed the two A Falls are quite different...

I should have put that in the original post.
So @Pete Effamy was correct originally - just lip. But it's good to move a bit OT and discuss falls in general.
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Pete Effamy
So @Pete Effamy was correct originally - just lip. But it's good to move a bit OT and discuss falls in general.
Correct to both of us really, as “lip it down” is what we say, but it’s not really what happens..
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Pete Effamy
If it’s not something that you have naturally picked up / were able to do, it’s important to stress how much is going on beyond downward finger scaling movement.

For example:
Play a fast downward chromatic (or diatonic) scale.
Play a fast downward scale and go from forte to piano.

Neither sound like a fall - off. They sound (or should sound) as described.

So that shows that you need to add to it.

I presume the rest is in Pete’s video above.
Andy Hornblower
Last reply · posted in Saxophones: gear, playing, repair, impro

Saxophones  C Melody Saxophones

I've been interested in C Melody saxes, for a while.

Apparently, they were quite common in the 1920s-30s, and the general concensus seems to be that the designs got better as time went on. Earlier models were often made in High Pitch (a tuning system that predates using A=440Hz), and should be avoided, unless you want to accompany a Highland bagpipe player.

From what little research I've done, it seems Conn made some of the better sounding ones, and their later models were improvements over the earlier ones. The ones with a "straight" neck, similar to an alto, are supposed to be good. Personally, I don't really like the S shaped neck on a tenor.

Anyway, here's one I've asked about recently. I've posted a couple of these pictures in Ads's review discussion thread of the Sakkusu C Melody sax, but here's all I have.

This is a 1924/1925 Conn C Melody, currently for sale at the Trevor Jones shop in Bristol. It's in low pitch, has had a partial repad, and is ready to play.



Bristol is a bit far for me to visit so I asked if they could send me photos, particularly of the hand positions, because the ergonomics are a bit different on these old saxes, and C melody saxes in particular.

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Ermm... there seems to be a 2 file upload limit. Hopefully, that's per post

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The thumb rest is apparently soldered on, so can't be adjusted easily, but the position looks good for reaching the right side trill keys (Bb/C/high E). This seems to be an issue on the Sakkusu / Thoman C Melody (see https://cafesaxophone.com/threads/sakkusu-c-melody-saxophone-review.13705/Ads's Sakkusu C Melody review[/URL])

The "L" stamped below the serial number indicates it's built for "Low" pitch - i.e. designed for modern A=440Hz tuning. I've read different accounts of what was meant by High Pitch (and maybe there was more than one definition), but the consensus seems to be it was at least A=450Hz, or A=453Hz - kind of between semitones, in modern tuning, and too far out to compensate for by positioning the mouthpiece differently etc.

It's important to check for that when buying any brass or woodwind instrument from that period. I think military bands kept it going for a while longer, in Britain. Scottish bagpipe and Irish/Scottish Bb flute players tend to still use it, as I understand it. It's certainly the normal tuning for 5 or 6 key Bb flutes.
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PigSquealer
Updated C Melody makers list.

List update 9-13-2026
New addition of Dolnet & Levebre
Now 26 Known makers.

Aldolphe Sax, Belgium
Aquilasax (was brand made by?*) New Zealand / China ?
Beaugnier ( +/- 200 units, Vito engraved) France
Buescher, USA (Unknown if EBIC produced a C Mel)
Conn, USA
Couesnon, France
Couturier, USA
Dolnet & Levebre, France
Evette & Schaeffer, France
F.X. Hüller, Germany
Hawkes & Son, England (undetermined if Boosey & Hawkes made a C mel)
Holton, USA
Jerome Thibouville Lamy, France
J L Woodwinds ( handmade by order only. Imported parts) 10/ 2021.
Kolhert, Graslitz Czechoslovakia 1840-1945
Kolhert, Winnenden, Germany. 1945-1982
King, USA
Lyon & Healy, USA
Martin, USA
Oscar Adler, Germany
Pan American, USA
Pierret, France
Rampone & Cazzani, Italy
René Guénot, France
Selmer Paris, France
York, USA

Sakkusu, Thomann, SLADE, Tuyama, and miscellaneous brands available on the Internet sites like,
Amazombie, FleaBay, Alibabaf. Are all current brands made by who ?
*The Aquilasax is well noted. Built in China and was sold by Steven Wedgewood, New Zealand.
Possibly any of these made by.
Taisain Winds, China.
Shandong Crown Musical Instruments, China
Eastern Music, China
….or a handful of other options between China, Taiwan, Vietnam.
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PigSquealer
Updated C Melody makers list.

List update 9-13-2026
New addition of Dolnet & Levebre
Now 26 Known makers.

Aldolphe Sax, Belgium
Aquilasax (was brand made by?*) New Zealand / China ?
Beaugnier ( +/- 200 units, Vito engraved) France
Buescher, USA (Unknown if EBIC produced a C Mel)
Conn, USA
Couesnon, France
Couturier, USA
Dolnet & Levebre, France
Evette & Schaeffer, France
F.X. Hüller, Germany
Hawkes & Son, England (undetermined if Boosey & Hawkes made a C mel)
Holton, USA
Jerome Thibouville Lamy, France
J L Woodwinds ( handmade by order only. Imported parts) 10/ 2021.
Kolhert, Graslitz Czechoslovakia 1840-1945
Kolhert, Winnenden, Germany. 1945-1982
King, USA
Lyon & Healy, USA
Martin, USA
Oscar Adler, Germany
Pan American, USA
Pierret, France
Rampone & Cazzani, Italy
René Guénot, France
Selmer Paris, France
York, USA

Sakkusu, Thomann, SLADE, Tuyama, and miscellaneous brands available on the Internet sites like,
Amazombie, FleaBay, Alibabaf. Are all current brands made by who ?
*The Aquilasax is well noted. Built in China and was sold by Steven Wedgewood, New Zealand.
Possibly any of these made by.
Taisain Winds, China.
Shandong Crown Musical Instruments, China
Eastern Music, China
….or a handful of other options between China, Taiwan, Vietnam.
I haven’t been able to qualify what other European makers made C melodies. Between France & Italy there was something like 200+ small makers pre war. The production was likely small. Many got scrapped for war materials.

Amati, Hohner, Julius Keilwerth, Hammerschmidt and Dörfler & Jörka.
I’m reasonably certain did not make a C Melody.
J
I haven’t been able to qualify what other European makers made C melodies. Between France & Italy there was something like 200+ small makers pre war. The production was likely small. Many got scrapped for war materials.

Amati, Hohner, Julius Keilwerth, Hammerschmidt and Dörfler & Jörka.
I’m reasonably certain did not make a C Melody.
I haven’t been able to qualify what other European makers made C melodies. Between France & Italy there was something like 200+ small makers pre war. The production was likely small. Many got scrapped for war materials.

Amati, Hohner, Julius Keilwerth, Hammerschmidt and Dörfler & Jörka.
I’m reasonably certain did not make a C Melody.
I Will have beaugnier c melody not condition to play, but have you picture about this, i will have that next month

If you want or interested
Is it rare, i ask you because you're one expert in C melody,

Me, i prefere to focus on soprano and c soprano,
If you need information about soprano or c soprano, ask me,
PigSquealer
I Will have beaugnier c melody not condition to play, but have you picture about this, i will have that next month

If you want or interested
Is it rare, i ask you because you're one expert in C melody,

Me, i prefere to focus on soprano and c soprano,
If you need information about soprano or c soprano, ask me,
Thank you, I do have pictures. More are always welcome.
Yes rare, Approximately 120 - 150 made. Less than 35 sold.
Contact me by message when this arrives.
I have one C Sop, a curved & straight sop. That’s enough for me.
Tales from a pig that likes to stick his nose into everything.

Paint that S. How difficult could it be ?
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1) Search the net.
2) Find the color.
3) Order color.
4) Study task on University of YouTube, aka; For destruction by DYI presented by pro tech.
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Do the cleaning & prep.
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Paint and cleanup / detail the edges with hard cotton swabs. Sounds easy……:confused:
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Yeah tha guy Matt makes it look easy.
Anyone remember your first experience cooking bacon crispy while still in the frying pan !
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PigSquealer
@Tuppertn Dug was named after Dug from that movie. 100% same character. He just showed up one day and decided to live here.
@turf3 18”, 16lbs wee broon indeed.
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Keep in mind this is just the solder cleanup stage. A full polish is on order too.
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Still work in progress.
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PigSquealer
Keep in mind this is just the solder cleanup stage. A full polish is on order too.
On thing I’ll add. It’s difficult to achieve 100% removal. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if some of these cleaned areas change color. A dull grey stain appearance. First truth on how well they’re cleaned will appear when the new mounting is soldered on.
Pete Thomas
@Tuppertn Dug was named after Dug from that movie. 100% same character. He just showed up one day and decided to live here.
@turf3 18”, 16lbs wee broon indeed.
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Last reply · posted in Breakfastroom (chat and relax...)
Hi, everyone! While I am a new member here, I’ve been involved in sax forums since 2006. I’m a retired music teacher and have played tenor sax for 50+ years. I still have the old Buescher in the closet in favor of my MKVI. Like many others, I have a bit of GAS (gear acquisition syndrome), so I seem to be dangerous to my bank account. I look forward to the discussion and insights on the forum with all of you!
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PiccoloPirate
Welcome aboard from South Florida.

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I was once near Alaska, flying in the right seat of a B52, at about 40k.
I could see Russia looking forward, before making a U-turn.
Blue skies now just Blue water. 😍
D
Welcome aboard from South Florida.

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I was once near Alaska, flying in the right seat of a B52, at about 40k.
I could see Russia looking forward, before making a U-turn.
Blue skies now just Blue water. 😍
I lived in Nome for 5 years. U-turns are still common along the International date line😉
I heard stories from locals that back in the day Soviet MiGs would fly low under the radar across the Bering Sea, pop up to wave “Hello” and drop back down as they were chased all the way to tomorrow.
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Welcome to the cafe, Doug!
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skeller047
Last reply · posted in Breakfastroom (chat and relax...)

Miscellaneous  What is “Politics”?

In the current thread on AI, Pete reminded us to keep politics out of the discussion, and to put side queries in another thread. So here is the side query…

When does a discussion become political? If something is an important societal topic (e.g., the state of music education, or the emergence of AI), there are certain to be politicians and government employees involved somehow. (Well, maybe not in music education, more’s the pity.) I’d like some clarity and perhaps a discussion on where the line is.

Case in point - government involvement in and support of health care. In most of the developed world, this is a non-issue. In the USA it’s a political hot potato. But this topic is important culturally and socially. Studies on strategies for extending lifespan. What tests to get, and where and how to get them. Seeking advice on a particular health condition. Etc. Here in the US, this can stray very easily into political waters - because of the various money, power and philosophical opinions around the subject.

So if I say “I think taxpayer funds should be used to provide a sensible baseline of health care support for everyone”, is that political? Or do I have to add something about a particular politician, or perhaps discuss specific legislation, to make it cross the line? “Joe Blow is an idiot because he thinks Medicare should be cancelled.”

I ask because topics like AI and healthcare affect us all, both as musicians and as humans in society. (Also as saxophonists, because some AI systems seem to think one needs 7 or 8 fingers per hand to play one!)

In the current discussion of AI, which is important IMO, there are obvious cultural and societal implications around the uses of AI. And these very easily stray into discussions of current political topics because various governments and government agencies are actively involved. Some guidelines on where to draw the boundaries of the discussion would be helpful.
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PigSquealer
I’m for any party 🥳 ! Especially if there’s free beer & food >:)
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thomsax
What is politics? I don't know. Politics should lead me in a democratic direction. It's all turned to a more ritual thing.

I live on the countryside in south Sweden, Scania. To be frank, I don't care so much for politics In US, UK ..... I just keep me informed. It's diffent with the politics that is closer to me.

I joined Cafe Saxophone for many years ago. I like to talk about saxes and the music we create with our saxophones.
mpjbiker
Last reply · posted in Saxophones: gear, playing, repair, impro
Anyone using one on tenor? What are your impressions and thoughts? Cheers!
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r. giuseppe
Price was not that crazy when I bought it 20 years (?) ago. If it comforts you: The best mouthpiece I ever had (for me) is half the price…
davidk
I had one for a while. It's like a standard DV with the edge taken off, very nice. It can be loud, but harder reeds make it easier to control. The silver plating was prone to tarnishing. The latest ones are palladium plated so shouldn't have this problem.
LarryS
Last reply · posted in Breakfastroom (chat and relax...)

Miscellaneous  Woodwind Forum no more?

A general woodwind forum I often visited seems to have gone caput. Its been in accessible a few weeks now.

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ghostler
The Woodwind Forum went off-line forever on August 9, a month ago.
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The Woodwind Forum went off-line forever on August 9, a month ago.
I've been really busy with hospital appointments
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ghostler
I've been really busy with hospital appointments
Understand. Internal discussions between us mods and admins, operating a large website with considerable archives and discussions stored has very expensive per month costs.

Over time more and more instrumentalists becoming adults seek social media instead of forums. They do not replace the older generation departing. Plus those older yet not seniors sought social media.

I saw this in model aeroplane and motorcycle forums, too. Stuka Stunt, Brotherhood of the Ring, both about flying control line model aircraft are no more.

About 12 years ago I saw BOTR posts dwindling because regulars left for social media. All the info including plans and historical info were lost. Because the owner did not open the site to SEO, none of its pages are archived, but the beauty was our conversations were all private.

The discussions were of a family nature, all adhered to good posting etiquette, don't get me wrong.

Ditto with Stuka. It was themed by a special competitive sort of semiscale stunt model based on the Stuka dive bomber featured in the model magazines of the time from 1950's on, but discussed many other stunt topics, too.
Pete Thomas
Internal discussions between us mods and admins, operating a large website with considerable archives and discussions stored has very expensive per month costs.
Tell me about it. I did think about offering to take on some of the archive but we are obviously close to being in the same boat as most traditional forums fighting for survival.
ghostler
Tell me about it. I did think about offering to take on some of the archive but we are obviously close to being in the same boat as most traditional forums fighting for survival.
This is understandable.

Probably the mostt important reference source on the WF was the Clarinet Perfection section, which was used as a reference source by a good number of woodwind forums. A clarinet professor with a named US university music department was proposing the possibility that it could be maintained on the university's server under the music department, which I think would be excellent. However, I don't know if that went any further.
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LarryS
Understand. Internal discussions between us mods and admins, operating a large website with considerable archives and discussions stored has very expensive per month costs.

Over time more and more instrumentalists becoming adults seek social media instead of forums. They do not replace the older generation departing. Plus those older yet not seniors sought social media.

I saw this in model aeroplane and motorcycle forums, too. Stuka Stunt, Brotherhood of the Ring, both about flying control line model aircraft are no more.

About 12 years ago I saw BOTR posts dwindling because regulars left for social media. All the info including plans and historical info were lost. Because the owner did not open the site to SEO, none of its pages are archived, but the beauty was our conversations were all private.

The discussions were of a family nature, all adhered to good posting etiquette, don't get me wrong.

Ditto with Stuka. It was themed by a special competitive sort of semiscale stunt model based on the Stuka dive bomber featured in the model magazines of the time from 1950's on, but discussed many other stunt topics, too.
Yes Facebook has a lot to answer for. The piano forum I've been a regular with since 2010 has been sold, largely due to the site owner retiring (good old Frank). But it had gone quiet long before that, with a lot of dodgy ads on the site. Thankfully it has a new home.
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Pete Thomas
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And care to share it with us?
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Grumps
I hate hearing existential threat parroted all the time. Having a degree in Philosophy I can assure you that there hasn't been an existential threat since John-Paul Sartre.
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MikeMorrell
I hate hearing existential threat parroted all the time. Having a degree in Philosophy I can assure you that there hasn't been an existential threat since John-Paul Sartre.
(and @Targa). It's interesting to sometimes learn a bit more about some members via this (and other) threads! It reminds me (again) that cafe members have a common interest (music, playing sax). But have different backgrounds, home countries, interests and 'lives' (outside of music and playing sax!). And they have different things going on in their lives. Leaving aside 'sax playing level', this 'diversity' of cafe members enriches (for me) the sense of 'community' in the cafe!
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D
A pet peeve that is difficult for me to ignore, other than drivers who should have failed their driving test, is the prevalence of logical fallacies in the commentaries/diatribes/arguments of pundits on nearly all media platforms. Ignoramuses abound in our current polarized political environment. I wish rhetoric was required from grade 5 and integrated into all language arts curricula.

Another closely related pet peeve is the misuse of statistics. It’s so bad, I believe that 9 out of 10 people misuse the actual statistical data they attempt to reference or just make it up because it sounds right 😉
Grumps
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The dates have been announced for the 2027 International Saxophone Symposium hosted by the Navy Band at George Mason University: January 8-9.

Plan your trip now if you're coming from afar.
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skeller047
I know of Ben Wendel and Ryan Devlin. Both very good modern players, Ryan is noted for his very energetic "outside" playing, and Ben wrote a great book on playing altissimo. Ben is also deeply into electronics; he did a very interesting interview with Rick Beato on YouTube a few months ago. I look forward to meeting both of them.
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PigSquealer
I know of Ben Wendel and Ryan Devlin. Both very good modern players, Ryan is noted for his very energetic "outside" playing, and Ben wrote a great book on playing altissimo. Ben is also deeply into electronics; he did a very interesting interview with Rick Beato on YouTube a few months ago. I look forward to meeting both of them.
I look forward to hearing Ben play. The others I need to look up.
The interview Rick did with Ben was interesting. Just wild that Ben and Terrace Martin were High School band mates. Wasn’t there a thread on this interview when it came out ?
View: https://youtu.be/tMYcNZJm2Io?is=CbQxInNC3pXfKD9Q
J
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Miscellaneous  New to the site!

Hi,
I’m Jay and I’ve just joined. Looking forward to interacting with members.
Have a great day!
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PiccoloPirate
JayL,
Are you Superman's father, from Krypton?
PigSquealer
JayL,
Are you Superman's father, from Krypton?
That’s Jor-EL not JayL 🤦‍♂️.
I’ll have one of whatever you’re drinking 🤪
PiccoloPirate
Total confusion since the Bum and linguistics threads.
Correct me please:
His Dad is called Jor-El in California
and in anyplace named Melbourne,
he's JayL? 🙄
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Miscellaneous  Daily Check In

Good morning,

We thought it might be good to have a thread where you can just come and say hi, tell us what you are doing today, have a moan, share an idea that you wouldn't necessarily start a thread for ( we can always create a new thread from posts here if it became a substantial discussion).

It doesn't have to be sax related🙂

Basically an easy way to connect on a daily basis.

So to kick us off, I am writing this whilst prepping a casserole for the slo cooker as I am playing sax today with café sax and need a quick easy tea when I get home.

I am still suffering with a cough which will impact my playing today and I am worried as we are playing our first care home gig next Sunday!!

Have a lovely Sunday

Jx
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MikeMorrell
I got (nicely) fooled this evening! I'd finished my 'volunteer shift' at BredaPhoto and took 2 buses home. As I was getting on the 2nd bus, the driver said "Hey Mike, how are you doing?". I looked at him but didn't recognise his face. Which occasionally happens when I meet people I've briefly met before but in a completely different 'context'. So I said "I'm doing fine, how are you?" Other passengers were also boarding so I moved on and sat down.

But I kept thinking "He obviously knows me, but I don't recognize him at all". So I went back up to the driver to try and clear up my confusion and mild discomfort. So I said something like "I'm sorry, you obviously know me but I can't for the life of me recall when we met. Perhaps in a different situation?". He said "No, I don't think so, I've been a bus driver for years". And then added "I have to start my ride now ..."

So I sat there for another 5 minutes before it dawned on me: I was wearing a 'BredaPhoto volunteer T-shirt'. With a 'name button' with "Mike" (which I'd completely forgotten about!). When the 'penny dropped', I started laughing and shouted out 'Good One!' to the driver.

He'd obviously simply read my 'name badge' as I boarded and carried on the conversation as if he 'knew me'. Leaving me to figure out the 'clue'. His sense of humour made my day!

Mike
PigSquealer
Out walking the Dug this afternoon he discovered these.
1789514862779.webp

Several people in the neighborhood leave baskets of seasonal fruit curbside. That’s $50 worth of pomegranates.
ESJohn
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Playing the saxophone  "Bring Out"

One of our tunes for the Christmas season is A Charlie Brown Christmas (arr. Paul Murtha). Of course, one of the selections is "Christmastime is here" and I have a soli with another instrument for the phrase

Oh, that we could always see
Such spirit through the year

I don't know what other instrument is playing as I've been concentrating on hearing the sound coming out of my horn.
It's easy and enjoyable to play except that I'm thrown off by the instructions by Murtha to "bring out". Does that mean the same as mf or f? Or is it referring more to the feeling of the melody at that moment? And if that is the case, how would I accomplish that? Our director has made no comments on it, but I haven't taken the time to ask her, either. Just curious as to your thoughts. Thanks!
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Gandalfe
I always bring up the volume on solos and in my whole career, no director asked me to play quieter. I also often mark interesting and fun parts of my chart as SOLO so that I will bring it out to be heard over the often thundering herd. Again, no director has ever asked me to play softer. But I do get a *lot* of "bring it out a little louder" queues from the big band director when I play bari.
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ESJohn
I always bring up the volume on solos and in my whole career, no director asked me to play quieter.
I always brought out the solos by picking up the volume
In the five years that I've been in the NHB, the words "you're too loud" were heard repeatedly by the band members. Our director for all of those years is now retired, but the words are very much ingrained in our brains. Only on rare occasions would anyone hear instructions otherwise, and generally those were the trombones. We would receive instructions for the majority of the band to play softer so that if a section or soloist was playing, they could be heard better. We're under different leadership now, so those words aren't uttered very often.
'Christmastime is here' is the last part of the medley. It's cool to be an important part of the what the audience will remember more than the songs that don't make up the beginning or the end. I also have a very nice part (along with many others) during what would be, lyrically, 'Christmastime is here'. I have four measures that have two beats of rest, and then alternating B and Ab, which I try to play softly in the background supporting the melody. These four measures are repeated, as is the soli.
I will do my best to be heard above the others without being obnoxious.
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ghostler
Normally if the conductor has full control of the band, the members shouldn't have anything to say about your dynamics except to mention if there is an intonation problem.

Playing too loud is usually directed at the brass because they can easily overblow the woodwinds. This is true also of saxes if not careful.

You got a new conductor who appears to be bigger on balance. Sounds like your band is turning over a new leaf, better horizons ahead. I'd forget the past and move on.
aldevis
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Miscellaneous  watches

Before I subscribe a forum about watches, where I will realize that only expensive pieces made in 1962-63 are worth wearing,
is anyone knowledgeable about automatic watches and straps?
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Grumps
We have a jewelry store out in one of the nearby suburbs that has a fairly decent choice of watch brands and they have their own event each Fall where they'll have brand representatives come to talk about their watches and they'll set up a tent for free oysters on the half shell and give out swag bags. My wife and I went last year and got a good look at the place and had a pretty good time. The highlight of the event is a sort of costume party, where you "dress to the nines" matching your favorite watch and you get to give a one minute spiel to win a prize. Last year that prize was a $3,200 Fortis watch, but they gave out plenty of other nice prizes as well. And this year? I'm gonna win one.

So put yourself in my place. Which of your watches would you go on about and what would you wear? Some of the costumes I saw last year were pretty impressive. One guy came as an airplane and for sure they'll be someone in an astronaut getup. My idea is a bit more simple and is geared to plug for this store I have absolutely no relationship with. I don't expect to win the top prize, but I should place. And yeah, I'm not telling at this point what I'm planning, but what would you guys do? If you dared:

Colin the Bear
A shop putting on free events is charging too much. imo
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Grumps
A shop putting on free events is charging too much. imo
Well perhaps now, if it wasn't clear before, I should point out that I'll likely never buy a watch from these folks, or anything else for that matter; though I'll give them every opportunity while I'm there to convince me otherwise. I'm just scheming to win a prize, eat free oysters and take home swag. Plus, I get to see watches I'd always wanted to see. Like Norqain last year. I saw them and I hated them. Win-win.

I've come to realize that every watch I own, but for two somewhat frugal cruise expenditures, were purchased new at the lowest price I'd ever seen for what I bought; then and now. I ain't gonna be able to make such deals at a shop like this. But again... if I see something I'd like to buy, they will have every opportunity to sell it to me; but at my price, not theirs.
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PigSquealer
I'm not telling at this point what I'm planning, but what would you guys do? If you dared:
I’m guessing you’re going as a Nationals fan wearing a Ravens watch.
I would go as a Pig playing on C sax with high hopes to win a Seiko Metronome.
ESJohn
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Humor  Today's memory

I've got to share this with everyone. My wife and I exercise twice weekly at the Cleveland Clinic medical center near us. The building houses facilities for physical therapy, sports medicine, a fitness center and a stat care facility. One entrance is generally used by the stat care patients and vice-versa.
Today, we were about to open the interior door that leads to the fitness center when an elderly gentleman using a walker and moving slowly, was coming through on his way to the exit. I noticed the t-shirt that he was wearing, which stated:
"I may be old, but I got to see all of the cool bands!" The shirt also had a sax framing the words to one side. It made me laugh, and I told him how much I enjoyed reading it. As much as he had difficulty raising his head, he looked at me and replied "Rock On!"
God bless him! He made my day!
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