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Linky Lee
Last reply · posted in SAXOPHONES
I'm sure many of you will be familiar with Steven Howard's website and a few of his nasty tales. I had one of my own.
I missed a train a few days ago and had an hour wait so decided to seize the opportunity to take a look in Dawson's, the local 'music' shop, Basingstoke.
Now, I used to live in Reading and have been to the pretty huge one there numerous times, always thought it appalling and way too much guitar dominated and with the worst service I have ever received.

On first impressions the Basingstoke branch is much much smaller (and a tape measure confirmed that), this meant a much smaller collection of guitars which I was very happy about, they still stocked as much brass and woodwind as the Reading branch probably 4 times larger (which I will measure to confirm 😛).

Having just bought a new mouthpiece and played a few top line horns I was hoping to see a Yamaha 62 alto as I'm very intrigued.
Unfortunately they had 4 altos, two Mirage altos, a Yamaha 275 and a Keilworth ST90 that looked pretty good. This is where it all went drastically wrong.

Looking through the case I spotted a huge gold thing flying around the Bb bell key on the first Mirage! What in heaven is that I asked my self, moving round the cage to the other side I could see that the the bell guard was only soldered on at one end and was floating inches off of the instrument!
- This really threw me off. My mind was racing around, how could something like this be allowed to happen. First of all in the build, second in the quality control checks, thirdly upon the store taking the instruments out of the box and having a good opportunity to send it back on shipping damage and fourthly being allowed to be displayed like that? I was quite appalled but put it to the back of my mind, a one off, nothing to worry about I'm sure the store have a technician and have good customer care.

Moving on to the next saxophone along the line I noticed it was another Mirage, exactly the same as the first one, except this one looks to have a soldered on key guard, phew...
But hang on... what's this, the C key is closed? what, it's not supposed to be down like that? 'Ah' I tell myself 'this is probably just a horrible sticky key and some bad springing or a bend in transit. Well this is starting to look bad for Mirage.'
Again I moved round the cage to look from the other side at the mechanism, and blimey my head nearly exploded! The spring was missing! - Missing I say, ironically invisible, utterly unbelievable, woefully wrong and amazingly absent!

If I thought my mind raced the first time, I was turbo charged this time. How could these things never be play tested at any stage, or is maybe the play tester so incompetent as to not notice? Again quality control problems and numerous other things running around my head.

I decided to calm down and have a look at the 275 which looked lovely and seemed like a really good horn with some brains behind it, especially for the money. I had a look at the Keilworth too and was glad to see suitable positioning of the D touch piece unlike on some of their tenors where it's about a foot to the side of the instrument (as my tape measure roughly confirmed 😛).

After that shocking time I noticed the tenor case hidden down in a corner, and what's that in the top? A curved soprano you say, I'll have a look at that too.

As I start to walk over I realise something, these tenors are different, that's a Series III Selmer, and isn't that a Yanigasawa 991 and 901, wow! That's more like... oh a Mirage tenor you say your sitting next to, go on then, could be a laugh...

Apart from the fact that the octave key didn't have a cork/felt appliance underneath it and a huge travel (a whole 2 inches 😛) and made a nasty click when contacting the body, I couldn't see anything else wrong with it. I have to say, it's an improvement over the altos. but still 3 of 3 with faults and quite serious too. One thing that bugged me about all the tenors though was that they still had their packing cork in place, obviously then never seen a technician this side, something to remember.

I moved my gaze higher after another quick peek at the 901. Oh yes the curved soprano, oh and hang on there are sopranos behind the tenors, why are they there? Oh a Mirage straight soprano hey?

Well it was fine, probably. Nothing I could see with the bodywork, thank lord I've found one that appears to have the potential of playability! The same was true for the curved soprano.

I decided I needed to fulfill my curiosity so I asked to see the manager.

After some questioning, they do have a technician, but they don't give him their instruments for a check over, and to solve any problems, they appear to just sell them like that. If they can...

So the packing begged the question. 'How long have you had the saxes in stock then?' Ah well the Mirages are at least a month old, we sold some before Christmas and have a few out on rental, but the high end tenors have been around a while. - So more than a month on display and are still in packing cork! who'd buy a pro instrument from somewhere like that, obviously not set up or checked over?

They knew about the broken key guard, but still put it on display instead of giving it to their technician to solder on, as it didn't hinder playability, and they would of fixed it for the customer before they took it home (so no doubt a little kid would of had a late Christmas present or something).

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All in all I was disgusted with the shop, and pretty baffled by the Chinese company that obviously have a long long way to go to meet the other Chinese competition. Has anyone else had experiences similar to this.

I seem to remember someone saying they bought a Mirage alto, does yours work? If so what are they actually like to play?

Truly yours, a disturbed saxophonist reacquainting himself with his Hanson.
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Jeanette
Cafe Moderator Café Supporter
Last reply · posted in Breakfastroom (chat and relax...)

Miscellaneous  Daily Check In

Good morning,

We thought it might be good to have a thread where you can just come and say hi, tell us what you are doing today, have a moan, share an idea that you wouldn't necessarily start a thread for ( we can always create a new thread from posts here if it became a substantial discussion).

It doesn't have to be sax related🙂

Basically an easy way to connect on a daily basis.

So to kick us off, I am writing this whilst prepping a casserole for the slo cooker as I am playing sax today with café sax and need a quick easy tea when I get home.

I am still suffering with a cough which will impact my playing today and I am worried as we are playing our first care home gig next Sunday!!

Have a lovely Sunday

Jx
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teen37
Last reply · posted in Saxophones: gear, playing, repair, impro

Tech/maintenance  I did it! 😂😉🎷

So my neck cork came loose last week and I managed with by being careful when fitting my mp.
But I decided to tackle replacing it once my new corks arrived yesterday.
So, armed with @Stephen Howard Haynes manual i got to work. It was a bit nerve wracking as I haven't done any repairs on my horn before. Give my an angle grinder or stihl saw or road breaker or any construction power tool and I'm away 🤔👷😂
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Last reply · posted in Saxophones: gear, playing, repair, impro
So, in the C melody discussion, and elsewhere, was discussion of the Couturier-Lyon & Healy - Holton path and the related products. I alluded at the time to my Couturier-design Holton Collegiate soprano, so here it is. I have many photos so will probably have to break this into several posts.

Overall view
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Here is the distinctive LH table, with integrated C# and G#.

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wakyct
Last reply · posted in Saxophones: gear, playing, repair, impro

Saxophones  King Tempo

Hey all, there are a few threads on these at the other place but I didn't see one here. Found a listing for a King Tempo bari, I have a message to the seller asking about the serial # (edit: it's 60165, second number 1406) but anyone have a clue to this one's era/condition from the pictures?

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Wade Cornell
Last reply · posted in Yardsale - Sell, buy & swap

Saxophone FS  Inderbinen Tenor for Sale

Here's a rarity that is seldom seen for sale. This Swiss handmade instrument is an anomaly in the world of sax manufacturing. It's tone and flexibility of sound is praised and most owners hold on to them knowing that it's also very collectable. My reality is that I just turned 80 and must think about this horn's future on my demise. It shouldn't be left to my wife or an executor here in New Zealand to try and sell. Pictures tell one story and I wish I had the video skills to stitch together a track where I'm playing in two different styles with this horn. I've got the 2 videos with crap sound and you can't hear the template I'm improvising with. I've also got the 2 sound recordings with the template and edited so you can hear this horn's potential. However I couldn't put them together. My apologies. You can just listen to the audio track with the template and then verify it is indeed the Inderbinen that's playing by looking at the video. Lame... I know! The styles are assisted by the first track using an "OK"mellow mouthpiece. The second is a Theo Wanne Shiva 2.

The horn has the original neck and a custom wooden Paraschos neck that looks and sounds great on this horn. The recordings were made with the Paraschos neck.

Price $8,000 USD + shipping. Current price new is over $14,000 USD and around a two year wait time. The Paraschos neck currently sells for $900 USD. This wonderful horn deserves a good home and future!

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johnny b.
Last reply · posted in Saxophones: gear, playing, repair, impro
Hi there, newby question. I am using BG single screw , leatherette ligature

on Selmer S80 C*. I have been busy practicing, then all of a sudden i noticed

the position of some ligatures on utube. I always assumed with the BG that

the correct position of screw was on top of the mouthpiece. I rotated the lig

so screw was on the bottom against the reed. It seemed to accomodate the

reed ok and the sound was ok. Any hints much appreciated.

Regards Johnny B.

p.s. I have just ordered a PPT mouthpiece with accompanying lig. Which way

are they positioned ?
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teen37
Last reply · posted in Saxophones: gear, playing, repair, impro
So guys😊☺️. I ve recently discussed with some of you, possible upgrades to move on from my Arbiter Pro jazz tenor. I almost went to try out a selmer SA80I but decided against it in the end.

Now, whilst I am not in any rush to move on just yet, I think it is definitely on the cards to happen at some point over the coming months. 😉

I was very drawn to a Selmer initially, but have stumbled across some YouTube videos on the Conn 10m.

Having watched a few comparison videos on Selmer mark VI Vs Conn 10m, (not that I was looking at the Mark VI 😳) I immediately noticed how different the tone was between them. The selmer sound much cleaner, crisper, whereas the Conn was a little warmer, fluffier 😳 (is that sacrilege to use fluffy and Conn in the same sentence?.... 🤔😳🤷)
I thought it would be just that one video so I watched a few others and yeah, it was still "fluffy" ☺️ I really liked the "fluffy" sound.
Someone said it was because they were made during the Swing era and so were more "harmonic" and "softer" built for a more acoustic environment and they blended well in a section with the likes of Buescher's. In context, this made so much sense to me.
Someone commented in my last post that perhaps I didn't really know at this stage what direction I wanted to go in looking for a new/old tenor, they were correct, I didn't know. But now I think I do 💡😳🤔

So... If this is a light bulb moment could y'all please enlighten me as to your opinions and experience with the Conn 10m tenor sax.

Is there a particular year or time period that was better than others to look for?

Any faults to look out for?

Are they harder to blow because they are so old?

What's an average price these sell for?

And really any other areas I've not thought about 🤔☺️
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PigSquealer
Last reply · posted in Saxophones: gear, playing, repair, impro
Tales from a pig that likes to stick his nose into everything.

Paint that S. How difficult could it be ?
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1) Search the net.
2) Find the color.
3) Order color.
4) Study task on University of YouTube, aka; For destruction by DYI presented by pro tech.
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Do the cleaning & prep.
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Paint and cleanup / detail the edges with hard cotton swabs. Sounds easy……:confused:
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Yeah tha guy Matt makes it look easy.
Anyone remember your first experience cooking bacon crispy while still in the frying pan !
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Last reply · posted in Cafe Members' Recordings & Gigs
Dear Forum Members,



I’m very glad to host my first SOTM here in the café. I choose „The Chicken“ from Pee Wee Ellis. I’m shure, most of you know the song from Jaco Pastorius, but there are several other recordings out there.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgntkGc5iBo&list=RDTgntkGc5iBo&start_radio=1



Here are lead sheets in C, Bb and Eb (one document) and some backing tracks (many more on youtube).


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For soloing and scale decisions, I found this guitar video helpful, but I personaly think blues most of the time and try to play groovy and in time instead of overthinking the notes too much.

Hoping for many funky contributions!


All the best

Dirk

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQZbsadHm2A&t=17s
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MikeMorrell
Last reply · posted in Breakfastroom (chat and relax...)
Inspired by @Tenor Viols musings, I decided to create my own thread. Focused on my new 'journey' from Big Band music into the world of rock/pop music.. Not only the very different style of music but (for me) also the very different world of amplification, different mpc's, etc,
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For the 1st 3 weeks, things started off really well! I was enthusiastic and so were the band. I was less enthusiastic on the 4th week when the nominal 'band leader' returned from a vacation, brought a ton of equipment along with him and basically drowned other members out.

During the 4th rehearsal (always on a Saturday), I noticed that my right hand felt a bit 'odd' but OK. That night, the pain in my right hand kept me awake. The day after (following internet advice) , I applied a bandage and ice. My guess is that I injured my hand during a "Fitness Session' the previous Friday. Since then , I haven't been able to play sax🙁. But I have been able to listen to some tracks that I've been asked to play🙂. Not exactly (no-one in the band does) but 'sufficiently recognisable'.

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Grumpikins
Last reply · posted in Saxophones: gear, playing, repair, impro

Saxophones  What to avoid?

New here, first question?

I'm a tuba player, looking to find a saxophone(s) for occasional doubling. I took a saxophone class when I was in school 20+ years ago. Went very well, really enjoyed it. I play in a group that is frequently short on saxophones and abundant with tubas so I can fill in where needed.

My question isn't what horns should I look for, but what i horns i should avoid. There's always those certain ones that are no good all around.

I'm looking for dirt cheap used instruments. I really like old instruments. I'm very good at repairing things and I work in a machine shop with access to all the toys. Thank you
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Last reply · posted in Saxophones: gear, playing, repair, impro
Okay so I was saddened when I saw this video today and a little shocked but not all that surprised.

Introducing our newest BetterSax artist, Eric Alexander!​

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One of my favourite players Eric Alexander has moved to a Chinese brand saxophone. Can I blame him? No as I have done the same and most of my playing buddies have cashed out of the high end French and Japanese horns. They cannot justify the investment on return and these are gigging musicians who say it just doesn't matter!

I just booked a friend and a killer alto player for a gig this past weekend. He now sells insurance, he gave up gigging a few years ago but jumped at the offer of $400.00 for an hour wedding gig. Insurance sales are not paying the bills. He has sold off all his expensive Yamahas and now has Eastern music horns.

How many young players are on Chinese or Taiwan horns these days?
The times they are a changing - sell your VI's because the up and comers won' be lusting after them. 😎
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For those on Facebook, listen to this Irish folk tune medley by Eddie Barbash.

View: https://fb.watch/v/6fc-PYXdq/

His website and YouTube channel are also well worth checking out. Folk, classical, jazz, blues, latin, ... he has (for me) a refreshingly wide repertoire of performances and playing styles.
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Filip
Last reply · posted in Yardsale - Sell, buy & swap

Saxophone FS  Hanson VIII Alto

As per thread title, lovely example of Hanson VIII which I bought in 2020, in fantastic condition bar the octave ring being very slightly bent + slightly chipper cork on the neck, otherwise in pristine condition. Plays top to bottom super easily 🙂.

Comes with original case (never used since I also have a hiscox).

Happy to answer any question, provide more photos or let anyone try it in person.

Open to reasonable offers.

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