Mouthpieces STM

[eb424]

Morning

Pardon our interruption...

Would anyone know what the S stands for here. Could it be a short facing curve? I realise it is hard to say but if anyone knows of Doc Tenneys work and whether he scribed the facing curve on; that would be great. Would I be right in thinking a shorter curve and the thickness of those rails " may" make it a darker piece.

 

[bflateflat]

Super Tone Master

 

[eb424]

Super Tone Master

I couldn't see the T and M Thanks

 

[Pete Thomas]

I couldn't see the T and M Thanks

It just says 7* S:

Otto Link Super Tone Master 7* S 'Doc' Tenney Tenor Mouthpiece Excellent cond

Would I be right in thinking a shorter curve and the thickness of those rails " may" make it a darker piece.

Shorter curve suits certain embouchure better than others and can affect the resistance. I’ve not found the curve or rail thickness make much difference to the tone.

I have found short curves can mean reed doesn’t last so long, but I could be imagining that or remembering incorrectly.

 

[thomsax]

STM = Super Tone Master.

7* S = 0.105" tip opening but I don't know what "S" stands for? Small, short .... ? I know that the list price in Sweden back autumn 1978 was 350. 00 s e k incl 20,63% VAT. 350.00 sek is today 1868. 00 s e k.

 

[eb424]

I bought another refaced 7* I didn't want to chance it being a short facing. I seem more suited to long or med..

 

[Dr G]

Doc Tenney did great work, but it’s been quite a while since he died (2013). That facing is quite old, so you don’t know what has been done since. He may have rebuilt the baffle with epoxy, but the images of the chamber are poor.

I cannot tell whether the seller is trying hide something or is just really bad at taking images of critical parts of the facing. Is there damage to the tip rail?

 

[eb424]

Doc Tenney did great work, but it’s been quite a while since he died. That facing is quite old, so you don’t know what has been done since. He may have rebuilt the baffle with epoxy, but the images of the chamber are poor.

I cannot tell whether the seller is trying hide something or is just really bad at taking images of critical parts of the facing. Is there damage to the tip rail?

Hi thanks I opted out and bought a cheaper link 7*. I was just worries as to what the S was and whether the facing had been changed.

 

[Dr G]

Hi thanks I opted out and bought a cheaper link 7*. I was just worries as to what the S was and whether the facing had been changed.

If Doc refaced it, it was changed for the better. G’luck with your new ‘piece.

 

[Pete Thomas]

Hi thanks I opted out and bought a cheaper link 7*. I was just worries as to what the S was and whether the facing had been changed.

Yes as it was advertised as refaced, the facing would have been changed.

 

[Dr G]

Hi thanks I opted out and bought a cheaper link 7*. I was just worries as to what the S was and whether the facing had been changed.

How are you going to know whether the new 7* has a good facing?

 

[eb424]

How are you going to know whether the new 7* has a good facing?

Guess i will just have to try it..It has been worked on refaced but by someone not as famous. As I said I am not doubting the quality of the work but thought the "S" maybe for a short facing which doesn't suit me..so I didn't chance it..

 

[eb424]

Yes as it was advertised as refaced, the facing would have been changed.

Ahh I thought sometimes the table was flattened, tip sorted, rollover levelled rails levelled the facing levelled too. I guess the clues are there if you want the curve shortened. I do have one thats been opened up by Ed Pillinger a NY plays a treat..

 

[Pete Thomas]

I do have one thats been opened up by Ed Pillinger a NY plays a treat..

Why not just use that one? It’ll be hard to find anyone better than Ed.

 

[eb424]

Why not just use that one? It’ll be hard to find anyone better than Ed.

It does play well. Quite a bit darker than the stm. It would be great for recording or slow ballad gig but i dont gig..

 

[Dr G]

It does play well. Quite a bit darker than the stm. It would be great for recording or slow ballad gig but i dont gig..

Do you know that you can brighten the sound by adjusting your airstream and reed selection?

FWIW, I use the same mouthpiece (and reed) regardless of tempo.

 

[eb424]

Do you know that you can brighten the sound by adjusting your airstream and reed selection?

FWIW, I use the same mouthpiece (and reed) regardless of tempo.

Just more settled on the stm. I do change the NY with a plasticover or legere but realised what I was looking for was what the stm gives me. Its larger chamber so a bit warmer, I can darken the stm up with van reds if needed.

 

[Pete Effamy]

Do you know that you can brighten the sound by adjusting your airstream and reed selection?

FWIW, I use the same mouthpiece (and reed) regardless of tempo.

Ritenuto: gradually getting slower and changing mouthpiece as you go 😀

 

[Pete Thomas]

Ahh I thought sometimes the table was flattened, tip sorted, rollover levelled rails levelled the facing levelled too.

When a mouthpiece is refaced all kinds of work can be done including changing of tip opening, facing curve (related to tip opening), facing length, table, chamber, rails, baffle.

 

[skeller047]

When a table is flattened, often the facing needs to redone too, as the break point will have moved. Especially on a Babbitt- made STM. As Babbitt is known for non-flat tables.