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Taz
Taz
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Playing the saxophone  How to Blag it as a Saxophone Player

I’ve only been playing the sax since November 2004 when my lovely wife bought me an alto, supposedly for Christmas. Well, we got it home and she let me have it there and then! (The saxophone that is!) After around an hour, I could do a bad rendition of several very well known tunes, not in time and not in the right key for that matter!

My idea of practicing (pro
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bably not recommended by the highly disciplined Mr Thomas) is to turn on my computer, find itunes, and work my way through the myriad of musical treats that I have saved on my hard drive, until I find something that sound like its in the right key and to try to play along until I feel like I’m really contributing to the piece. In this vein, I’ve played with some of the best, Chris Rea, I’m sure he loved it when I blew him away as I solo’d over his guitar solo in “The road To Hell” and Elton John’s “Sorry seem’s to be the hardest word” received the benefit of my extremely small talent.

Well after keeping up this strict training regime for several months, I started to look for jam sessions in my local area. Having never participated in such an event, I had no idea as to what I was getting in to but I felt the need to fill this void in my life.

And so it happened. A lonely chalk board sitting at the side of the road, beckoned to me one evening as I drove my lorry back to the depot. A jam session had revealed it’s self to me.

With alto horn in hand, I approached the door to the British legion and walked nervously inside.

“How you doin’ kid?”

“Kid I thought? I’m forty four, this guy must be old!”

Well I explained how I’d only just started to play “the horn” I said trying to sound like a blues player, and how I only wanted to stand at the back and play for my own benefit. “No problem kid” was the reply. Cool, I thought.

So I stood at the back and jammed along with this wonderful group of seasoned musicians. This went on for a couple of weeks until one night, as I was stood at the back of the room, eyes screwed tight shut, playing the solo of my life (to myself of course) when I suddenly heard the glorious sound of a sax. “Wow I sound so good tonight” I thought. Turning around, my heart crumbled into a thousand pieces. A tenor player had walked into the room, unpacked the most amazing looking Selmer, and played the sweetest sounding licks I’d ever heard. He instantly became my idol, a sax god. Pure genius had entered my life. He walked up to me afterwards and said, “You’re good, that’s a difficult key for an alto!” He then took my beloved horn in his hands and pushed the mouthpiece on properly! “Yup, I thought so” He said, “You were playing a semitone flat!” He then laughed and walked out of the room! I packed away my newly tuned alto, and crept out of the room, looking for a rock to crawl under, hoping that a crack would appear under my feet and swallow me whole.

I got home and felt low. I know, Chris and Elton have never humiliated me when I played with them. I entered my music room, unpacked my horn, and squawked to their tunes that I used to play with ease. Of course, I was now in tune, just not with them!

I know, I’ll get a tenor! That should do it.

So, after a couple of months of getting to know this bigger version of the alto, I started to get the hang of the tenor. There was however a flaw in my plan. The tenor I had bought, was a well advertised, old banger. It would have been ok if I had got a couple of hundred pounds to throw at it, but I didn’t. I bought blind, off that well known online auction house! But it had done the job it had intended. It had opened my eyes to the bigger, deeper and, lets face it, sexier sound of the tenor. I was hooked!

Having not learnt my lesson fully, I thought that all I needed was a new sax, not someone else’s cast offs. So what did I do? I trolled through the “New” adverts on the Devils Junkyard and went for a nice new tenor in “Shining Gold colour” complete with white gloves! (I know what your thinking…….You Plonker! I know, I know!) Well my playing got worse and worse, leaks, squeaks and unobtainable notes. Boy, was this sax a piece of junk!

Having not learnt my lesson at all……..don’t say it….. I returned to the pages of sax’s on the net and bought yet another one. This time I hit upon a genuine advert, an Amati student model that had been bought, way back, in the early seventies, was played for a short while and then laid to rest in the back of a wardrobe for years. When I received my new baby, I knew she was the one, she felt solid, clean and unmolested. Somehow pure.

With my new found love I returned to the jam.

What a difference. A total transformation. Here I was at last, joining in with real musicians, on their terms.

“Welcome back Kid.” I hadn’t been forgotten then! I unpacked my tenor and walked to the back of the stage. Somehow I felt at home, like I belonged with this strange group of people. I was still only playing for my own benefit and I was thoroughly enjoying myself when they played one of my favourites, Fleetwood Mac’s version of “Need your love so bad.” So there I was, standing at the back, eyes screwed tight shut and soloing over Peter Green’s bit, when once again I heard the beautiful sound of a tenor, echoing around the room! Surely not again, this could only happen once! I opened my eyes and to my horror, the singer had heard me soloing, thought it sounded good, and stuffed his microphone down the bell of my sax! All I could do was to carry on. What did the band do? “Sounds great Kid run it through again!”

Well that was the start. I’d fooled them into thinking I was a sax man after all!

I played with that band for nearly a year, going under the name of “Inside out.” We had a lot of fun to start with, playing mainly rock, but then egos grow (not mine I hasten to add) and the band split. My next band was a mixed group of musicians and one of them had a double base. It was my first introduction to this sort of music, Rock ‘n’ Roll. I’d not really listened to it when I was younger, but hey, this was just like the blues, but quicker and with a little fire in its belly! I was hooked.

So once again, there I was, playing along and soloing to a whole bunch of tunes that I had never heard before, but the fun I was having was immeasurable! The only problem I had was when they would say things like “Its in the key of…” and I’d look blankly at them. I think I soon found out that I liked the keys of A C D E and sometimes G.

This was a much smaller band than the last one and we went under the name of “Cliff Topp and the Lemmings!” We played the usual types of venue, pubs and some charity do’s, but we were never going to climb any sort of musical ladder. Then one day I got a phone call from the drummer from “Inside Out,”

“ Hi mate, are still playing that old sax of yours cos we’re in need of a good player?” That’s not me I thought!

“Yes I said” thinking “How on earth am I going to get out of this one?”

“Great” he said, “we’ve got a gig coming up and need you to play!”

So I turned up, thinking, “I’ll just play the sound check, they’ll think I’m rubbish and that’ll be it.” Wrong!

“That’s a great sound you got there kid”

What is it with musicians and calling people “Kid”

“Brilliant.” I thought, they liked it, now I’m in trouble.

“So, your coming back tonight to join us then?” said Johnny

“Yes, if you think I sounded ok?” I said.

So that evening, “Johnny and the Zephyrs” had themselves a Rock ‘n’ Roll sax player.

That night was the most exciting event I have ever been part of. The venue was a gastro pub, and entry was by ticket at the cost of thirty pounds a piece! Oh man they were expecting professional musicians, not the sort of thing I had been used to, that’s for sure!

The place soon filled with people. It was a large venue and it appeared that all of the tickets had been sold. It was packed.

We kicked off with Johnny B Goode. A solo was thrown my way and I blasted out my best rendition of something fairly unknown to me, but it was well received by the band. “Wow,” I thought, “nobody noticed!”

My whole evening followed the same lines, the band encouraging me to become more and more outrageous, moving off the stage and dancing with the audience, getting on my knees in front of these gorgeous women and then, to top it all off, they told me to stand on the piano and play there!

My journey with this band is far from over, I’ve been making it up as I go along with them for a year this month, and they still love what I do.

How did I do it? I’m still not sure. There are a million sax players out there who are leaps and bounds better than me. I put it down to confidence. I’ve got a fairly large personality, a loud horn, and the guts to blow it (good or bad) in front of people.

That’s it then. How to blag it as a Rock ’n’ Roll sax player? Get youself a sax (or two) Play it loud, play it dirty and play it with confidence!
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C
Last reply · posted in Saxophones: gear, playing, repair, impro
Been playing a year now and looking at getting a wireless clip on mic. The Isolo Choice mic comes with mic, transmitter and receiver WITH effects like echo and reverb. Thinking of getting one but concerned will it be ok in the UK it ships from Taiwan. Assuming the 9v power supply can be used in UK. It’s the effects I am after. Anyone in UK bought one they are £425. Thanks . Chris.
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mikaheik
Last reply · posted in Breakfastroom (chat and relax...)

Miscellaneous  Is AI taking over!

I just made this with AI today (inspired by my daughters recent wedding) and was totally mind blown... The song itself, band, singer and sax solos were just too good... There's no future for humans in music if this is just the early stages!

Walk her to forever
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R
Last reply · posted in Other Instruments plus electronics, PA & recording
I'm considering purchasing an effect that allows me to simulate a horn section a bit for LIVE use. So far I've been using the Roland Aerephone AE10, which isn't bad, but I'd like to try it with my tenor sax so I can switch from clean sax to horn section-like effects. I was thinking about a Zoom A2.1 or a Roctary Poly Octave, but I don't have any experience. I'd use it with my Xvive wireless microphone.
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Jeanette
Cafe Moderator Café Supporter
Last reply · posted in Breakfastroom (chat and relax...)

Miscellaneous  Daily Check In

Good morning,

We thought it might be good to have a thread where you can just come and say hi, tell us what you are doing today, have a moan, share an idea that you wouldn't necessarily start a thread for ( we can always create a new thread from posts here if it became a substantial discussion).

It doesn't have to be sax related🙂

Basically an easy way to connect on a daily basis.

So to kick us off, I am writing this whilst prepping a casserole for the slo cooker as I am playing sax today with café sax and need a quick easy tea when I get home.

I am still suffering with a cough which will impact my playing today and I am worried as we are playing our first care home gig next Sunday!!

Have a lovely Sunday

Jx
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Andy Hornblower
Last reply · posted in Saxophones: gear, playing, repair, impro

Saxophones  C Melody Saxophones

I've been interested in C Melody saxes, for a while.

Apparently, they were quite common in the 1920s-30s, and the general concensus seems to be that the designs got better as time went on. Earlier models were often made in High Pitch (a tuning system that predates using A=440Hz), and should be avoided, unless you want to accompany a Highland bagpipe player.

From what little research I've done, it seems Conn made some of the better sounding ones, and their later models were improvements over the earlier ones. The ones with a "straight" neck, similar to an alto, are supposed to be good. Personally, I don't really like the S shaped neck on a tenor.

Anyway, here's one I've asked about recently. I've posted a couple of these pictures in Ads's review discussion thread of the Sakkusu C Melody sax, but here's all I have.

This is a 1924/1925 Conn C Melody, currently for sale at the Trevor Jones shop in Bristol. It's in low pitch, has had a partial repad, and is ready to play.



Bristol is a bit far for me to visit so I asked if they could send me photos, particularly of the hand positions, because the ergonomics are a bit different on these old saxes, and C melody saxes in particular.

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The thumb rest is apparently soldered on, so can't be adjusted easily, but the position looks good for reaching the right side trill keys (Bb/C/high E). This seems to be an issue on the Sakkusu / Thoman C Melody (see https://cafesaxophone.com/threads/sakkusu-c-melody-saxophone-review.13705/Ads's Sakkusu C Melody review[/URL])

The "L" stamped below the serial number indicates it's built for "Low" pitch - i.e. designed for modern A=440Hz tuning. I've read different accounts of what was meant by High Pitch (and maybe there was more than one definition), but the consensus seems to be it was at least A=450Hz, or A=453Hz - kind of between semitones, in modern tuning, and too far out to compensate for by positioning the mouthpiece differently etc.

It's important to check for that when buying any brass or woodwind instrument from that period. I think military bands kept it going for a while longer, in Britain. Scottish bagpipe and Irish/Scottish Bb flute players tend to still use it, as I understand it. It's certainly the normal tuning for 5 or 6 key Bb flutes.
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U
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Saxophone beginners  If you had to do it all again

Evening all.

I'm returning to playing the sax after nearly 25 years, used to play alto (played in various bands, gigs in pubs, clubs, fesitvals, weddings & wakes, recorded some albums). I've only gone and bought myself a tenor off of ebay by accident and i'm planning to do some practice, mostly so I can get some half decent sounding brass parts down on my computer based deep house noodling.

When i started learning (early 90s) I taught myself, never had a lesson and subsequently developed a load of bad habits. These days there's something called youtube and it's full of AI slop tutorials for people to learn off so I've had a look around.

I'm planning on focussing on my embechoure first (long notes, stupid face exercises), intonation then finger placement (always moved my fingers too much and hit the pads too hard).

So my question is, if you had to do it all again - how would you go about it, what would you concentrate on?

Coke Escovado - I wouldn't change a thing
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ghostler
Last reply · posted in Saxophones: gear, playing, repair, impro
December 2025, I purchased the subject alto sax, S/N 541xxx on eBay for $118.50 + $35.00 shipping + $12.18 tax, total $165.68, seller from Indianna, US. It appears to be a later model as it has felt adjustments on the bell key pad guards. My earlier Jupiter Vito tenor does not have these adjusters, ditto with photos I've seen of other altos with lower serial numbers.

It was missing the left hand B key pearl and the right thumb rest. However, it had no major dents (a plus at this cost!), keys appeared straight and aligned (another plus), back side has large blotches of tarnish where the lacquer had been worn away.

There are small dents around the bell back area from metal chair bangs, some backside bell lacquer abrasions like it was laid against Portland cement concrete bleachers in a sports stadium. However the bell rim itself was left unscathed, amazing. Case was dusty but serviceable, no major rips in the plastic sheet covering the plywood. Most of the plastic sewn edge guards are intact, not thread rotted.

Considering what it must have been through, it is the basis for a good player with a little work. For $15 I installed the missing thumb rest with an all brass aftermarket one, which replaced the missing plastic one perfectly.

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I installed a 14.6 mm plastic pearl from a parts set I bought some time back for one missing on my Vito tenor, over the B key. Photo is before and after.

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Someone already replaced the A Key Pearl, its pattern is slightly different than the original. Mine has more of a swirl to it, the OEM ones have a linear streak to them. If I sent it out to a tech, they'd put one from their stock, which may or may not completely match but it will be close. Its a student sax, perfection not required, now feels good.

It needs a going over for cleaning. Pads are intact, no leather cuts or cracks. Some look old. Few bumper corks are missing. As I get more involved, will decide whether I can return it to service or have it sent out for tech servicing.
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ManEast
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Great Players  Mr Super Hip. Carl Mellor

I was just wondering if anyone here knew Carl Mellor.
The first time I met Carl was at Covent Garden sometime at the start of the 80s. He had a Mountain bike with a trailer on the back. The trailer was full of car batteries and a cassette machine. He would play with backing tracks...as a matter of fact he used Abersold and was the first guy to introduce them to me.
He was quite a characterful saxophonist/guy. The last time I saw him he was playing outside a coffee shop... Starbucks on the bridge at Camden it think. That must have been 10 odd years ago, maybe more.
Truly one very Interesting player. If you know anything at all about Carl I would very much like to know.

Kind Regards

ManEast
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mpjbiker
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Anyone using one on tenor? What are your impressions and thoughts? Cheers!
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rhysonsax
Last reply · posted in Breakfastroom (chat and relax...)
Apparently, at a Richard Thompson gig a girl asked him to "play that song about the Water Bed". "I don't do a song about a water bed" he replied. "Yes you do, the one the goes Let me ride on your water bed one more time".

View: https://youtu.be/gw1ZDzBoUf8?si=yah5OyWiRWCpzq_T


Have you got any other examples ?

Rhys
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LostCircuits
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I'll be traveling to Curitiba / Campo Largo in October and I was just wondering if there are any familiar faces in the area.

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sax panther
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for sale - a rare beast, the Phil-tone Isotope. This has been discontinued for a while, it was a collaboration between Phil-tone and Theo Wanne -beautifully made piece as you'd expect. Comes with the original wooden box. Big step baffle so unsurprisingly leans towards the bright side with a clean, modern sound, but I found it to be capable of a bit more warmth and versatility than a guardala for example.

Always used with a patch, I've removed this to give it a clean up for selling and you can see on the photos there's a bit of a colour difference on the beak where the patch has been stuck on. There's also some discolouration on the table which I've shown in the photos below, this was there when I purchased it (I'm not the first owner) but doesn't affect playability - table is flat and rails are unblemished. I've found myself to be more comfortable on rollover baffles, but this needs to be enjoyed by someone instead of sitting on my shelf. UK postage only please.

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Tenor Viol
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OK. I've thought about doing this for a while - setting up a general thread for me to post in, rather than necessarily creating a separate new thread every time for relatively minor matters, or discussion of how things are going etc.

So, the first item is my FB page got me with an Amazon advert and I seem to have ordered a jazz theory book... It will get delivered to the Amazon lockers at work on Monday

Tomorrow is a Café Trio/Quartet...Septet day where @trimmy is going to demonstrate ascending chromatic scales in augmented fourths, and descending in diminished fifths... 😀

Yesterday was a wind band concert in Maghull. There were about 85 of us playing. We had a contrabassoon in the band...

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skeller047
Last reply · posted in Breakfastroom (chat and relax...)

Miscellaneous  What is “Politics”?

In the current thread on AI, Pete reminded us to keep politics out of the discussion, and to put side queries in another thread. So here is the side query…

When does a discussion become political? If something is an important societal topic (e.g., the state of music education, or the emergence of AI), there are certain to be politicians and government employees involved somehow. (Well, maybe not in music education, more’s the pity.) I’d like some clarity and perhaps a discussion on where the line is.

Case in point - government involvement in and support of health care. In most of the developed world, this is a non-issue. In the USA it’s a political hot potato. But this topic is important culturally and socially. Studies on strategies for extending lifespan. What tests to get, and where and how to get them. Seeking advice on a particular health condition. Etc. Here in the US, this can stray very easily into political waters - because of the various money, power and philosophical opinions around the subject.

So if I say “I think taxpayer funds should be used to provide a sensible baseline of health care support for everyone”, is that political? Or do I have to add something about a particular politician, or perhaps discuss specific legislation, to make it cross the line? “Joe Blow is an idiot because he thinks Medicare should be cancelled.”

I ask because topics like AI and healthcare affect us all, both as musicians and as humans in society. (Also as saxophonists, because some AI systems seem to think one needs 7 or 8 fingers per hand to play one!)

In the current discussion of AI, which is important IMO, there are obvious cultural and societal implications around the uses of AI. And these very easily stray into discussions of current political topics because various governments and government agencies are actively involved. Some guidelines on where to draw the boundaries of the discussion would be helpful.
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mizmar
Last reply · posted in Breakfastroom (chat and relax...)
Inspired by the convolution of the Show us your pet and Help a Hedgehog threads...

Here's one from another thread;

Red Squirrel
(They exist in Norway)


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