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Tech/maintenance What's this hole for just below D palm key?

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Although I spent 10 years playing sax, I was like a driver that never looked under the bonnet. Now I am rediscovering the sax and wish to know just a little more about how it works. I am looking at my King S20 Eastlake and it has a small keyhole which is sited just below the opening for the D palm key.

I really do not understand this hole. It seems to be related to the octave key and the G key, but it's function is a mystery to me. I shall not be touching it, but it does seem to waggle freely and oddly in some circumstances though I can play all the notes.

The mechanisms involved and the way the torque is trasferred looks complicated. If I hold down the G ivory button and the octave key, it raises but somewhat unpredictably, there is a great deal of waggle, about 3-4 ml. Maybe this is OK as it does raise above the tone hole and teh underslung octave mechanism does seem to function.

I should like to know how it works even though I do not have the skill to touch this. it will help me understand the sax as a whole. i am also working on Altissimos, is this mechanism involved?

Thank you

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I am still trying to figure out what @ZeroZero is referring to exactly. Can you post a photo ?
I presumed it was the body octave pip. You have to admit it could be a bit of a mystery on the face of it. For years I knew it was there and only vaguely it was for some special magical acoustical reason.

Now I know it's due to the fact the octave hole in an ideal world would change per note but as a compromise there is one for the notes A and above and one for the notes below. And luckily these days they work automatically via one octave mechanism without you having remember to switch depending on what note you are playing.
The sax has two octave vents, this probably has all you need to know The SHWoodwind F.O. Guide To Octave Key Mech Problems
Some saxes have two body octave vents and I have seen two on the neck as well.

i am also working on Altissimos, is this mechanism involved?
Not necessarily but the the octave mechanism is often involved. Are you familiar with the Rock & Roll, Soul and R&B sax player Jr Walker. He just fingered the low Bb, B, C .... and out came the altissimo tone. Lots of practise, dedication and guts ....... . He didn't play complicated altissimo licks .. he just nailed a one or two tones.

Jr Walker "Sweet Soul"
View: https://youtu.be/uoNIIe1q4OQ?si=okjK_KhLD3OJwBKH
 
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Some saxes have two body octave vents and I have seen two on the neck as well.


Not necessarily but the the octave mechanism is often involved. Are you familiar with the Rock & Roll, Soul and R&B sax player Jr Walker. He just fingered the low Bb, B, C .... and out came the altissimo tone. Lots of practise, dedication and guts ....... . He didn't play complicated altissimo licks .. he just nailed a one or two tones.

Jr Walker "Sweet Soul"
View: https://youtu.be/uoNIIe1q4OQ?si=okjK_KhLD3OJwBKH
Never heard of him before but he sounds good . A Bit Sam Butera (who I am listening to at the moment). I love it when the sax has guts. I got my first f# yesterday! I never played altissimo in my former career. No f# key on my King. I think I am getting it.
I read the Stephen Howard piece - that's deep! Good Job he has my horn booked in as i think my over complex mechanism on the King is a bit iffy.
 
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Never heard of him before but he sounds good . A Bit Sam Butera (who I am listening to at the moment). I love it when the sax has guts. I got my first f# yesterday! I never played altissimo in my former career. No f# key on my King. I think I am getting it.
I read the Stephen Howard piece - that's deep! Good Job he has my horn booked in as i think my over complex mechanism on the King is a bit iffy.
That seems a bit strange, I think you said you were in your 70s?
You managed to get through the late 60s without hearing Shotgun?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FgO2Hs4t_4
 
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I used to go to a café (once a week, on Saturday afternoons) to have a cinnamon roll (kanelsnäcka) and a Cuba Cola. There was a jukebox in the café as well with King Curtis, Jr Walker, Otis Reeding, am and Dave .... records. The singles were changed once a month and it was possible to buy the used singles. That's how I bought my first sax drowned records.

Kanelsnäcka + Cuba Cola = "Sweet Inspiration"

View: https://youtu.be/WM6zB9X2DGI?si=J7lcEOzovnLXmg9s
 
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Never heard of Junior Walker!!!!:headscratch:😱
Junior walker… A senior walker is much bigger.
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I never played altissimo in my former career. No f# key on my King. I think I am getting it.
I read the Stephen Howard piece - that's deep! Good Job he has my horn booked in as i think my over complex mechanism on the King is a bit iffy.
I just play a few altissimo tones. I'm a woodshed honker playing blues, R&B, Rock & Roll .... . I don't play licks/melodies up/out there. I just repeat the same tone rhytmically. The King Super 20s are good saxes. May last S20 was a late King Super 20 USA w high F# key. A late King Super 20 from 1983. The same year King Musical Instruments creditors sold the company.
 
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I am still trying to figure out what @ZeroZero is referring to exactly. Can you post a photo ?

What exactly is "wiggly"....the key arm which closes the pad on the ''hole" (pip) ? Or is the pip ('hole') actually moving around ?
 
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I am still trying to figure out what @ZeroZero is referring to exactly. Can you post a photo ?
I presumed it was the body octave pip. You have to admit it could be a bit of a mystery on the face of it. For years I knew it was there and only vaguely it was for some special magical acoustical reason.

Now I know it's due to the fact the octave hole in an ideal world would change per note but as a compromise there is one for the notes A and above and one for the notes below. And luckily these days they work automatically via one octave mechanism without you having remember to switch depending on what note you are playing.
 
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