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I agree it's not ideal but generally you can pop into a local store and try out many of the mainstream horns.
And given that many retailers want at least a 100% markup, you'd maybe be paying twice as much for a CaféSaxophone
 

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Have I ever bought a new sax... let me think... Yes! I bought a TJ Raw alto, and that was unseen/unplayed. I guess that confirms Rhys' point though. Everyone rated it, the videos and sound clips were good, but I played it once and it did nothing for me - sold it!
 

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No problem, this is planned anyway. A Cafe meet. We could maybe do one up North (Hanson in Marsden have a biggish room available or somewhere else northern - we previously looked at Band on the Wall in Manchester. Any suggestions welcome.
This seems like a good idea. Not that I would be attending (quite a journey for me + not in the market for a new/better horn at the moment). But it sound like something I would like to attend. Maybe everybody could bring their own horn so one could compare the new saxophone to it. And that way one could get an idea how it compares to some of the "benchmark" saxes. ????
 

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Wherever the meeting is down south, I’d like to come if I can try out the tenor. I’m in the market for a new one.
 

DavidUK

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Can Steve do impromptu repairs whist we're there... a walk-in "surgery" if you like...?
 
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Summer has caused some slow downs, but here is a bit of R & D going on in regard to a bit of a different material for hinge tubes. Very very light and very strong but presents some problems when you try to solder to it.

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saxyjt

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I would advise talking to the America's cup sailing team. They know about using exotic material in tough contexts. They may even have a base near Southampton...
 
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Solid carbon fibre for rods?
Not exactly solid. We found carbon fibre to be a little flexible, but note here the pattern. This stuff is very unflexible.
I would advise talking to the America's cup sailing team. They know about using exotic material in tough contexts.
Strangely enough we are dealing with a company in Portsmouth in regard to this.
 

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My instincts would lead me to use some kind of glue to hold the accessories. Perhaps even glue some parts to screw other stuffs into. But avoid screwing directly into the carbon fiber.
 

vries1

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Interesting! A quick search tells me that regular “pultruded” carbon fibre rods have poor torsional stiffness. While torsional stiffness is obviously very desirable for use in a saxophone. Learnt something new today!

Not exactly solid. We found carbon fibre to be a little flexible, but note here the pattern. This stuff is very unflexible.


Strangely enough we are dealing with a company in Portsmouth in regard to this.
 
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Interesting! A quick search tells me that regular “pultruded” carbon fibre rods have poor torsional stiffness. While torsional stiffness is obviously very desirable for use in a saxophone. Learnt something new today!
We learnt something new a little while back. You can see that this is not your bog standard carbon fibre:

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vries1

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Exactly, I read that there are other manufacturing processes which orient the fibres in the “right” (ie not longitudinal) direction for torsional stiffness. I guess one of those must have been your pick!
 

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Trying to imagine the effect on the horn’s action of the mass reduction - I guess (hope) the action will be surprisingly light and swift.
 
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Exactly, I read that there are other manufacturing processes which orient the fibres in the “right” (ie not longitudinal) direction for torsional stiffness. I guess one of those must have been your pick!
Well, it's still ongoing. Another thing is how the point screws interact. There is some other stuff going on inside involving other types of carbon fibre and other materials that will all be revealed of course when (or if) this goes into production. It is of course still depending on whether the whole idea passes the tests.
 
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