Saxophones Selmer Signature

The market has changed, Pete...

The most expensive horns aren't necessarily the best
Yeah, well I don’t know. My RC Prestige suited me at age 16 and I still love it now. One amazing difference for most of us on here (seeing as the recent poll showed us to be a little on the mature side) is the amount of choice now - instruments, mouthpieces, reeds; the lot.
 
Have you played the pink gold Yanagisawa tenor?

I’m saving up for the osmium edition.
Yes I remember when they brought out the copper bell and the sterling silver finishes and doubled the price of a mere gold lacquer model
 
I just find it odd that whilst premium horns never felt cheap, they all felt attainable 20/30 years ago.
Pretty much every clarinet player at a Conservatoire would have turned up with an R13, 10C or 1010 in the ‘80’s; I wonder if that is changing.
The 80s, of course, were 40 years ago, not 20/30.

Last time this came up I had a little look at the changing prices, in real terms once inflation is factored in. Selmer saxes have indeed increased in real terms, even when you factor in that you now get a case and mouthpiece included (incredibly, the standard price of a Selmer sax didn't used to include a case!). Yamaha and Yanagisawa are very similar in real terms to what they were a few decades ago.

Selmer, pretty uniquely, seem to be jacking their prices ever higher. Normally in economics, as price increases, demand decreases. Selmer seem to be gambling that the decline in demand will be proportionately less than the increase in price, increasing their profits. They may even have a belief that their products have a reverse elasticity of demand, where demand actually increases as price increases, as wealthy aspirational buyers are attracted to what they regard as the 'best' in the market. Personally I think this is tosh, as whenever I have played Selmers, I've found them to be good but not noticably preferable to Yanagisawa or higher end Yamahas.

Of course, at the other end of the market, saxes are radically cheaper than they were when I started playing in 1980. A playable modern student sax is vastly cheaper than the student saxes on the market when I was in my teens, and they would absolutely blow the student saxes of that era out of the water in terms of playability. That has hugely democratised playing music.
 
Yes. The crux of what I’m saying (or not!) is that in years gone by you might have saved up for the premium price, but these latter years many wouldn’t even contemplate paying the hiked prices even if they had a bit of a windfall. Just feels like being ripped off.
 
And the crazy thing is it was pretty difficult to shift my SA80 ii in perfect condition for less than half the price of the new Signature.

My mint BA alto definitely looking great value....
I couldn’t sell my SBA alto either. Everyone wants the tenor.
 
The release of this horn has nothing to do with how the Supreme is selling. You dont bring a new model to market in a matter of months. This has been in the pipeline for some time. I don’t need one but it’s interesting to watch.
 
Yes. The crux of what I’m saying (or not!) is that in years gone by you might have saved up for the premium price, but these latter years many wouldn’t even contemplate paying the hiked prices even if they had a bit of a windfall. Just feels like being ripped off.
But only really Selmer. Yanagisawa and premium Yamahas, in real terms, cost about the same as they did a couple of decades ago. I genuinely think Selmer are trying it on with their prices, both compared to what they used to be and to their competitors. I really don't see how Selmer can justify charging a couple of grand more than the competition. I'd take my money elsewhere - actually, I have.
 
Where does it actually say that the whole sax is made in the Henri Selmer Paris factory? We all guess that. Could it be made elsewhere?
They're made at Mantes-la-Ville, which isn't really in Paris, it's just outside Paris in the Iles-de-France region. That's where Selmer have been based for over 100 years. It's the only manufacturing site used by Selmer. They still employ a lot of people there.

For all that I think Selmer are taking the pi$$ with their pricing, there is some pretty nice background stuff on how they make things, on their website.
 
But only really Selmer. Yanagisawa and premium Yamahas, in real terms, cost about the same as they did a couple of decades ago. I genuinely think Selmer are trying it on with their prices, both compared to what they used to be and to their competitors. I really don't see how Selmer can justify charging a couple of grand more than the competition. I'd take my money elsewhere - actually, I have.

An alternative perspective is whether Selmer is charging more because of their cost of manufacturing. That cost differential is what has made it difficult for U.S. instrument manufacturers to be competitive in the world market.
 
An alternative perspective is whether Selmer is charging more because of their cost of manufacturing. That cost differential is what has made it difficult for U.S. instrument manufacturers to be competitive in the world market.
Manufacturing Business 101, Rule One: the market price for your product has nothing to do with your cost of goods sold.
 
For instance, I have seen that a great many boutique guitars are bought by wealthy clients who do not depend on music for their income.
This is more and more the case I think, plus the notion that "you get what you pay for" - the myth that the more something costs the better it is. Plus of Cours the brand badge.
 
An alternative perspective is whether Selmer is charging more because of their cost of manufacturing. That cost differential is what has made it difficult for U.S. instrument manufacturers to be competitive in the world market.
The point is that all the major manufacturers, globally, are facing rising costs, not just Selmer. It's not that prices go up, per se, it's that Selmer's have gone up significantly both in real terms and in comparison to their competitors.
 
The only person I know who buys new top end saxophones has just retired from one of the major accountancy firms. He isn’t a Selmer player though he might be tempted.
 
IMO they should just call everything they make, whatever new model, Mark 6. That will ensure all present and future revenue. Especially from the wealthy amateur collectors who whatever they buy will be and cost like a Selmer Paris Mark 6. And to add some more spice to the curry, add some spent shell brass from the current wars and mix all the numbers up. 😉
 
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Would that send the price sky high?
LOL. Caveat emptor.
But then everyone would have a fuzzy numbered war brassed( fwiw it’s not true they used brass from ww2) Mark 6 and the whole speculative factor will be gone. I think prices will come down because the saxes will just fly off the shelf.
 
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