Sax values - an enquiry (moved)

jools

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I know it's a bit of a 'how long is a piece of string?' sort of question, but there are often some sound benchmarks to judge these things by....

What kind of price ticket would you put on a 1956 Conn 'halfway house' (body brass, keys nickel) standard alto?

Reason I ask is that I just picked one up off Ebay for (what I think) is a snip. With every intention of renovating it. When I've had some prices bandied about, I'll tell you what I paid 😉
 
Hey Griff
The sax arrived today.

(see elsewhere on this forum about a current Ebay thread)
So, I got lucky. It actually arrived and was pretty much what I expected. It had been described as "plays well" but that's stretching the imagination. It plays, sort of 'alright' in the first octave, but there's an issue with the octave corks that make it not work above C.

I can tell from the sound of the first octave that this horn isn't dead, it's just sleeping. Through the dirt and grime and years of neglect, it has a truly lovely sound.

The serial number is in the range 554534 (which from my books puts it in the mid 50's, however I may be wrong) there are no other markings or letters in the usual place. The Bell simply has some Gill Sans type on it saying "CG CONN LTD. USA". No decorative engraving. It came in a case that had a French distributor's name and address. From my years of playing, i can clearly see that this is an old horn, just from the key layout.

As mentioned, the bodywork is brass, the keywork is nickel. All lower bell keys are on the left side. The crook is not underslung and it has no 'micro-tuner'.

The finish is devoid of lacquer and I intend to give it a good clean and refurb job which shouldn't be difficult. There are some inevitable dings in the lower curve but other than that no obvious damage to the sax, other than a missing retainer post to the octave rod (where it guides the rod into position) at the crook joint. The crook doesn't fit very well and may have come from another instrument. It is too slack.

From my initial observations it looks like this has been repaired on the cheap a few times over recent years. At some point it has had new pads put on which appear (from what i can see) to be 'ok'. However, the biggest problem seems to be balancing and corks. They have been repaired and replaced on an 'ad-hoc' basis.

Would you fancy having a go at servicing it? I'd love to ask someone from the forum, post some before and after pics etc. Let me know.
 
I think Conn saxes stamped with "CG CONN LTD. USA" are manufactoried in New Mexico. Conn sold thier factory in Elkhart to Selmer US and moved out to New Mexico. They were suffering from bad finances.

Your Conn might be a "Mexico-sax"?

I sold a Conn 6M (c -57) the other year. Iwas stamped ...Elkhart.... www.sovde.nu/saxofonmagasinet/conn.html

Thomas
 
okiedokie.

I am puzzled by the Mexico connection. My sax history text books tell me that the company was taken over in 1969 and the plant was moved from Elkhart to Abilene in Texas. Then in 1986 it was moved back to the old King factory in Eastlake. No mention of Mexico. As for the stamp "CG CONN LTD" - apparently this was used on and off since 1915, usually for export or stencil brands. I know that there is still a lot of Conn's history missing as I have found a few researchers on the net asking for evidential examples.
 
Dr. Prof. Margaret Downie Banks is a good source of info for Conn.
She's the curator of musical instruments and prof of museum science at the Uni of south Dakota. She's partucularly interested in the C.G.Conn Company history.
Her website: www.usd.edu/~mbanks/index.html
 
Jools wrote:
okiedokie.

I am puzzled by the Mexico connection. My sax history text books tell me that the company was taken over in 1969 and the plant was moved from Elkhart to Abilene in Texas. Then in 1986 it was moved back to the old King factory in Eastlake. No mention of Mexico. As for the stamp "CG CONN LTD" - apparently this was used on and off since 1915, usually for export or stencil brands. I know that there is still a lot of Conn's history missing as I have found a few researchers on the net asking for evidential examples.

Yes, of course it should be Texas (Abilene). I was thinking about something else and New Mexico just popped out! I have two Conns from the 20's stamped with "CG CONN LTD, ELKHART, INDiANA. USA is also on stamped on my soprano, but I guess this is an export sax for the European market.
 
Hey Spike - thanks for the Dr. Prof. Margaret Downie Banks connection. I am on the case with an email and I have already done a whole stack of photos which I shall post a link to here.
 
I learned something new. I have never seen a Conn stamped sax like yours before. It's very similar or identicall to a Pan American alto, from the late 30's, that I had a couple of years ago. But the octave key (neck) on the Pan American have a "ring". My Pan American was a good sax and I think yours will be good to.

Good luck with your new sax!

Keep Honkin' !

Thomas
 
Hmm. Something not quite right with their html. When I try and look at the photos, it says "Fatal error" (though I can't imagine who died as a result of me clicking it!) - I'll leave it a day or two, they might be having server issues.
 
-just a wee update. The things now in bits. Needs the odd cork here and there. Little soldering job, missing spring, ding in curve to straighten out. Nothing major.

Spent a few days cleaning the body down, coming up very nicely. Some of the 'spots' seen on the photos were deeply engrained corroded spit marks. Quite filthy and disgusting. The brass underneath is a lovely gold colour though. When this part's done I shall do some more photos.
 
Update.

It's taken me a couple of weeks, but the body and keys are now all fully cleaned and polished. I've completely replaced and partially balanced all the corks but cannot finish it due to the fact I discovered there are three springs missing (one which I broke by accident). So it's going to need a pro to finish the job. Eventually (going to have to save up first). But the appearance is a transformation. This is going to be one sweet baby when it's done.
 

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