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[Poll] KENNY G

jools

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-otherwise known as "Gorelick'

Simply that: Kenny G?
Place your votes now.


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Do you like Kenny G?:
YES- yes please. Right up my street.
NO - no thanks. Not my cup of tea.
DON'T KNOW - undecided. Like some tunes.
DON'T CARE - no feeling either way
WHO? - not familiar with his music.
 
The whole Kenny G issue highlights a lot about the jazz world. OK- Kenny G isn't the most technical or inventive guy on the block, I can't really argue with the gist of Pat Metheny's argument. However, isn't the bulk of the argument a combination of sour grapes that he's successful and (the in my mind, rather unhealthy for the music) attitude that everything should be massively over intellectualized and never play one note when you can fit two into the same space (cross reference to many "I don't like jazz" rhreads here and elsewhere).... He's not my cup o' char, but good luck to him!
 
I am of a similar opinion to Nachoman. His music doesn't really do it for me, but he's made an absolute killing from it and has found a formula that works. It is cheesy instrumental pop, but he has probably done a hell of a lot for raising the profile of the saxophone among the general music-buying public.

Have a listen. If you like it, fine. If you don't like it, just don't buy it. Sometimes people don't want a convoluted rollercoaster through 10 changes in the space of 4 bars. Some "jazz masters" play things which make my head hurt and which can probably only be appreciated by PhD music theory students. That isn't really my cup of tea either, but I will not join in the mud slinging which I have seen whenever he-who-must-not-be named is mentioned in other saxophone forums.
 
Totally agree. I didn't bring this subject up for any schoolground "yahh yahh' type jeering. I was just fascinated by the publicly voiced opinion of a 'jazz professional' about a fellow musician. Which, as Nachoman and Tengu01 quite rightly point out, says more about the public - the listener in the street - and their preferences. If you ever get the chance, in the pub or at work or wherever, ask someone who isn't particularly 'into' music to name a sax player, see what they come up with. Conversely, ask them to name a jazz guitarist. Hmmm.

Sadly, I have played plenty of pub jazz gigs where there has been more of us in the band than in the room. If I might say so, this is not due to the quality of musicianship as I have been lucky enough to have always worked with some extremely fine players. More often than not, it's the choice of venue and the general 'dislike' for what one punter described as 'twiddly music'. I know there are other threads on the subject, but Kenny has found a middle ground that works for the masses. The amount of times I've heard people say to me "OOH I love the SOUND of the sax" (!) to them, it's just that - a texture; an image. They care nothing for the hundreds of hours we might put in doing a double descending tri-tone/ chromatic run, but they will stand and cheer if we play a high note for 60 seconds ! And, after all, if we are in music to make a living then we have to consider the listening audience which has moved on a very long way since the smoky days of Wardour Street clubs. It's showbiz, and that's all about bums on seats and record sales. "High-brow" jazz is a 'specialist' area usually found next to "world music / other" in records shops. Just past the bargain bins, folk section and film soundtracks. That's because that's how the masses percive it.

Any doubts I had about Mr G were blown away when I heard his version of Summertime with George Benson. A very accomplished performance, delivered sensitively and with a good deal of 'jazz vocabulary'. I guess you have to learn the rules in order to know how to break them. However, I don't really like 'the sound' of the soprano much. To me it's like trying to fall asleep with a fly in the room.

Anyway, that's my tuppenceworth.
 
Jools wrote:
They care nothing for the hundreds of hours we might put in doing a double descending tri-tone/ chromatic run, but they will stand and cheer if we play a high note for 60 seconds !

:whistle: I must I have a deficit of several hundred hours specifically related to descending tri-tone/chromatic runs. Oh dear. In my case, the audience's lack of love may have more to do with my lack of practice than the several hundred hours I owe to the god of woodshedding 🙂
 
I really don't have a problem with Kenny G, for many of the resons given in the last few posts. I've listened to a few things and they just aren't my cup of tea but fair play to the bloke.... I feel much the same about a lot of people on different areas of music (e.g. Clapton, Einaudi etc) and know that a lot of people would dismiss my musical taste, but I really don't mind. Perhaps some of the knockers are so defensive because they are insecure about something, but that's enough cheap psychoanalysis.

Due to much Kenny G bashing elsewhere, I had my moniker changed to Bobby G specifically to annoy them >:)
 
Based on what little I've heard of both artists, if I was given the choice of listening to Kenny G or Pat Metheney, I'd choose Kenny every time.

Ok, I know people rave about Pat but the only exposure to him I've had was an in concert TV prog many years ago. His fiddly playing and (to me) dull harmonic ideas caused me to switch off in irritation about 3/4 of the way in. Maybe it was just an atypical performance. Or I've got no taste.

Richard Thompson on the other hand... genius.

Cheers

Peter
 
Talking to a pub landlord the other evening, about gigging at his venue and what instrments are played in the band, I mentioned I was learning saxophone.
"You'll be playing a bit of jazz then?" he asked, visibly cheering up.
"No, not really into jazz", I replied to which he responded
"What's your name then, F*****g Kenny G?"
Says it all really!
PaulyT
:laugh:
 
Jools wrote:


Any doubts I had about Mr G were blown away when I heard his version of Summertime with George Benson. A very accomplished performance, delivered sensitively and with a good deal of 'jazz vocabulary'.


Yeah Jools I agree, I'm not really a fan but a couple of his tunes, like Summertime and Hard Bob I can stomach, IMHO he does have a great tone, very recognizable sound and is very fluid on the horn.... and when busking in various parts of the non english speaking world, Kenny Gee is what they throw at me!

I think our tastes in music change and grow with knowledge, time and experiences.... but I don't suppose Kenny will ever grow into a Coltrane.

cheers
 
Well put, and to the point.

Interesting to see that the voting is currently neck and neck between "yes he's a good 'un" and "don't care, not interested"

Bit like Marmite really. That's it, Ken is the Marmite sandwich of the saxophone world.
 
But what do the answers 'yes hes good' and 'no hes not' truly mean.

Are they regarding his music or his skill as a player? I don't mind his music and can find it quite relaxing, but I wouldn't say its the best thing ever. But technicality and tone wise I think he is excellent.... I haven't heard anyone else who can make a soprano sound better that he can.

Just my opinion.
 

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