Scam/Fake? David's... ehem... unusual finds... Very rare Selmer? - £4,000

[DavidUK]

Yes, his profile, if correct, suggests an entirely different demeanour.
But then... Jekyll and Hyde...

 

[stitch]

No, he's not an MP. He's an ****hole

I didn't realise the two were mutually exclusive ...

 

[DavidUK]

I slept on what to do... I obviously touched a nerve.

However, he's removed the ad and replaced it with:

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So he's not passing it off as genuine now, although it's still illegal to sell counterfeit branded goods.
Of course it wouldn't cost £4,000 to £6,000 as it doesn't exist as a Selmer model.
Not sure what use it would be to a plater?

Just going to post this, below, in case his ad disappears... and so do I...

 

[Pete Thomas]

So he's not passing it off as genuine now, although it's still illegal to sell counterfeit branded goods.

Just as illegal but harder to defend by claiming ignorance.

I believe the original definition of replica is something actually made by the company.

 

[DavidUK]

I wonder what would happen if someone went to see it, smashed it on the floor and stamped on it. Criminal damage, yes. And I guess he would call the Police, believing he's done nothing wrong.

What if it were me though? I'm not seriously contemplating this, don't worry!

NB. I do know the commander of my local beat quite well. Trouble is, even if I have a quiet word he'll still be obligated to investigate and as a death threat carries a maximum 10 year jail sentence it might just irritate our friend a little more.

Having looked at his profile I do think it's likely to be his, and not hacked, as in his posts he says:

Interestingly, and to show how stupid he is, he's usefully added a hospital letter showing his full home address.

 

[Steve Marshall]

You can report is as a scam. I doubt they will take action though. Facebook is like that!

 

[DartmoorHedgehog]

What an utter count

 

[jonf]

I didn't realise the two were mutually exclusive ...

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They're not, there's an overlap, a Venn diagram would show it nicely.

This character, though, is just pure ****hole. The fact that he's put his full name, home address, NHS number and date of birth clearly in the public domain, while threatening to slit someone's throat, is confirmation of that. That he does all this stupidity, while trying to intimidate someone by saying he can find them as he has their IP address - which is almost certainly roaming and not traceable - is laughable.

 

[turf3]

He's committed a crime. In every state of the US, what he's done is felony assault. (It's assault until you actually strike someone at which point it becomes assault and battery, assault being the act of threatening bodily harm and battery being the act of carrying it out.) I suppose the police have higher priority things to do, but in the ideal world he'd be spending a few days in the crossbar hotel and standing trial. If convicted (at least in the US) he would lose his voting rights among other disabilities laid on those convicted of a felony.

 

[Clivey]

Wow. It would appear FB is OK with this kind of disgusting behaviour for now . Keep safe @DavidUK . Hopefully he will remove his vile self and advertising ASAP.

The Police should really be going after this toxic individual.

 

[GCinCT]

I've been following this thread and this violent idiot really pissed me off. I reported the ad to FB. It is not currently on the site. I don't know if they did something about it, he took it down or sold it to some poor victim.

 

[jonf]

He's committed a crime. In every state of the US, what he's done is felony assault. (It's assault until you actually strike someone at which point it becomes assault and battery, assault being the act of threatening bodily harm and battery being the act of carrying it out.) I suppose the police have higher priority things to do, but in the ideal world he'd be spending a few days in the crossbar hotel and standing trial. If convicted (at least in the US) he would lose his voting rights among other disabilities laid on those convicted of a felony.

Both sender and recipient are in the UK. Under UK law, sending an email threatening violence wouldn't usually be classed as an assault, but it is still an offence. It would most likely be deemed a malicious communication under the Malicious Communications Act 1998, or harassment (or aggravated harassment if done at least twice) under the Protection from Harassment Act 1997.

The police in the UK tend to prefer to present cases to the CPS in line with the Protection from Harassment Act. There are thousands of prosectuions a year. Simple harassment has a maximum sentence of six months imprisionment. Fear of violence offences can result in sentences of up to ten years.

Personally, if this was me, I'd let it go, and not seek to involve the police.

 

[DavidUK]

He listed it again today, no mention it's a fake this time...

...and... it's SOLD. Some poor unsuspecting innocent buyer no doubt.

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[jazzdoh]

At least it's a reasonable price I guess but still wrong as the new buyer will be lumbered with an illegal horn.

 

[Pete Thomas]

At least it's a reasonable price

Probably a reasonable price if the owner can remove the logo, then it becomes just another cheap horn that may actually be a quite good player. But also very likely not.

 

[SaxBoss]

Hmm... trouble is they always turn up in the classifieds again sooner or later as no one wants to be lumbered with a fake horn.

Then the wheels turn round again.

 

[Jimmymack]

I'm not sure that innocent is the right word if you think you're getting a Selmer for £400, but never mind. Watch this space.

 

[DavidUK]

How about innocent ignorance? The buyer may have done little research and thought they were getting a bargain.
I've bought a Selmer for less, but I knew for sure it was a bargain, and genuine.

 

[jonf]

He listed it again today, no mention it's a fake this time...

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...and... it's SOLD. Some poor unsuspecting innocent buyer no doubt.

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I see he's also cleared up a lot of his profile stuff on Facebook. Maybe someone's had a word with him to say that it's not wise to put a load of personally identifiable information on social media when undertaking criminal activities.

 

[jonf]

Probably a reasonable price if the owner can remove the logo, then it becomes just another cheap horn that may actually be a quite good player. But also very likely not.

£400 is an awful lot of money for a 'nologo'