Scam/Fake? David's... ehem... unusual finds... Very rare Selmer? - £4,000

[Colin the Bear]

I price hunted too hard and landed with a fake Shure mic. The box and paperwork is very authentic looking.
The birdcage is lovely and well made.
The internals however are pathetic and it performs very poorly.
I've looked at getting a genuine capsule. It would work out the same price as an original.
We live and learn.

 

[SaxBoss]

We have loads of those and it's currently on my todo list to merge them into one master counterfeit thread which I think will be more useful, so keep an eye out.

Excellent!

Could we have a specific counterfeit section?

 

[Steve Marshall]

I find it ridiculous to go to such length and fail so miserably. This obviously comes from a region of the world that has not knowledge of the french language.

Can anyone be so stupid to fall for this scam?

Well I contacted the seller and he seems to claim he was stitched up. I don't really believe a shop would sell him that sax at the £6000 he is claiming. Someone is a liar, somewhere down the chain, but it 's hard to know which one fell for it.

 

[Pete Thomas]

I don't really believe a shop would sell him that sax at the £6000 he is claiming. Someone is a liar, somewhere down the chain, but it 's hard to know which one fell for it.

I read somewhere on SOTW about a Sam Ash shop falling for a counterfeit. I think it happens less now as stores are more clued up than when the first half decent fakes came out.

 

[jazzdoh]

Surely if he bought this from a shop and had a receipt he would have a claim to get his money back with a refund.

 

[DavidUK]

Surely if he bought this from a shop and had a receipt he would have a claim to get his money back with a refund.

I suggested this to him as he could easily get a full refund if it was a UK retailer. I'd imagine the result would be the same in Germany.

 

[DavidUK]

He said:

"So you've checked the numbers on sax and you've checked the stamp on the sax right ?
Yes I thought not. I'm no professional at all that's also why I took it to a music shop my brother recommended and he IS a professional musician.
It's also been checked out by music shop in Northampton.
So if your not interested and you think it's a fake. Then please just go away."

 

[jazzdoh]

I suggested this to him as he could easily get a full refund if it was a UK retailer. I'd imagine the result would be the same in Germany. He didn't respond.

If his story had been genuine surely he would have responded back to you with the evidence.

 

[greenstripe]

I think we can all agree it's a scam listing - just to be aware it could very well be a stolen or fake Facebook profile (using a few stolen photo's) and the person who's original profile has no idea that this is taking place,

 

[DavidUK]

If you read his "story" on his profile the gory personal photos don't smack of a scammer. Mind you, he does seem a trifle angry.

 

[jonf]

It's gone again.

 

[DavidUK]

It's back again... lower, but still illegal, price:

Facebook

www.facebook.com

I messaged:

"Ah, so you now know it's a fake.
"Selmer" is a brand name and so it's illegal to sell counterfeit goods marked with this brand.
It's a criminal offence. You can only keep it or scrap it.
Hope that helps?
Regards, David"

 

[Pete Thomas]

 

[DavidUK]

He replied (amended):

"Heyyy David F**k off c**t. If that's fact then every company in the world must be shut down because 70% of everything is made in China. Including musical instruments.
You dumb stupid pr**k.
Now f**k off before I find you and cut your fff throat. Don't think I can't as we are talking I already have your IP address. Now f**k off"

Next move? In law, that's assault I believe?

Is he an MP?

 

[jonf]

He replied (amended):

"Heyyy David F**k off c**t. If that's fact then every company in the world must be shut down because 70% of everything is made in China. Including musical instruments.
You dumb stupid pr**k.
Now f**k off before I find you and cut your fff throat. Don't think I can't as we are talking I already have your IP address. Now f**k off"

Next move? In law, that's assault I believe?

Is he an MP?

No, he's not an MP. He's an ****hole

 

[turf3]

He said:

"So you've checked the numbers on sax and you've checked the stamp on the sax right ?
Yes I thought not. I'm no professional at all that's also why I took it to a music shop my brother recommended and he IS a professional musician.
It's also been checked out by music shop in Northampton.
So if your not interested and you think it's a fake. Then please just go away."

Well, one recourse of the pathological liar is to double down.

 

[turf3]

He replied (amended):

"Heyyy David F**k off c**t. If that's fact then every company in the world must be shut down because 70% of everything is made in China. Including musical instruments.
You dumb stupid pr**k.
Now f**k off before I find you and cut your fff throat. Don't think I can't as we are talking I already have your IP address. Now f**k off"

Next move? In law, that's assault I believe?

Is he an MP?

Is this ebay or something similar? Report him. Direct threats of assault are surely against their terms and conditions.

 

[Pete Thomas]

s this ebay or something similar?

No it's Facebook

 

[Jimmymack]

This is disturbing stuff. He should be reported but then you are getting in deeper with someone with an ugly disposition. It’s certainly illegal to threaten people in that way but it may be better to just walk away.

 

[greenstripe]

It's not right but you're very unlikely to get anywhere with Facebook unfortunately. You can report abusive messages but I wouldn't hold your breath, especially as it may be a fake or stolen profile and the person may not be who they appear.

Just this weekend I received a friend request from someone I'm already friends with, same profile picture etc. Was a hacked duplicate profile and they were in the process of sending friend requests to the original person's friends.