Saxophones conn 1933 transitional tenor sax

[Pete Thomas]

@eb424 sent me the Wind Section listing of what I posted on post #31.

C.G. Conn 'Lady-face' Tenor Saxophone (2nd Hand)Default Title

Ref: CS02062 All our second hand saxophones are cleaned and set-up in our workshop prior to sale, ensuring that the instrument arrives with you in first class condition. Not all instruments have been through the workshop before listing, so if ordering please allow a few extra days for us to get...

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Maybe they have two on offer ?

That’s a different instrument, it’s a 10M not a Transitional. This is the one re: posts 25 and 26.

C.G. Conn 10m New Wonder II Transitional Tenor Saxophone (2nd Hand)

Ref: CS02098 All our second hand saxophones are cleaned and set-up in our workshop prior to sale, ensuring that the instrument arrives with you in first class condition. Not all instruments have been through the workshop before listing, so if ordering please allow a few extra days for us to get...

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[PigSquealer]

I maybe wrong but I don't think the tenors had the pivoting thumb rest.

I need to investigate this. It’s very possible.

 

[PigSquealer]

That’s a different instrument, it’s a 10M not a Transitional. This is the one re: posts 25 and 26.

C.G. Conn 10m New Wonder II Transitional Tenor Saxophone (2nd Hand)

Ref: CS02098 All our second hand saxophones are cleaned and set-up in our workshop prior to sale, ensuring that the instrument arrives with you in first class condition. Not all instruments have been through the workshop before listing, so if ordering please allow a few extra days for us to get...

www.thewindsection.com

100% correct and neither I find impressive. I would hold out until a better unit becomes available. Although a free trial to see if the dog wags his tail proper is ok too. Junkyard dogs are plentiful.

 

[Pete Thomas]

Although a free trial to see if the dog wags his tail proper is ok too. Junkyard dogs are plentiful.

But would involve paying shipping both ways if returned.

 

[eb424]

100% correct and neither I find impressive. I would hold out until a better unit becomes available. Although a free trial to see if the dog wags his tail proper is ok too. Junkyard dogs are plentiful.

I think I need to look at this. It starts from the fact that I only play for fun and have the custom z all the sax I will ever need.. I wanted a sax from 1933 re the above. " saxes sprung to mind e bay 1933 and Hansons 1933. I shifted my goal posts to around 1933 as both these saxes were over 2k. Hansons 2.5k, and communication was hard.. I only want a sax for those sentimental moments, slower ballads etc so ergos not overly important. I got used to the 1946 10m as my main instrument. The yts 25 I bought of the wind section was as described excellent, through their workshop no issues. This has given me £850 towards a purchase. I will sell the 32 alto so will hopefully have £1600. This is the cost of the transitional, approx ( Circa 1931) 1933. I know...I was hoping if it did need any further work pads, etc if I had to spend on it, I would still have a good sax for the bucks, i.e. against the cost of the other 2. If the 25 is anything to go by the tranny will come out of the workshop in a good condition. I realise its a relaquer the engraving may not be sharp, but am looking for a player rather than something I can sell on.

 

[turf3]

This one per chance? Looks good:

C.G. Conn 10m New Wonder II Transitional Tenor Saxophone (2nd Hand)

Ref: CS02098 All our second hand saxophones are cleaned and set-up in our workshop prior to sale, ensuring that the instrument arrives with you in first class condition. Not all instruments have been through the workshop before listing, so if ordering please allow a few extra days for us to get...

www.thewindsection.com

Left hand stack is New Wonder. You can tell by the distance between B and bis key.

 

[eb424]

Left hand stack is New Wonder. You can tell by the distance between B and bis key.

Is the neck different..

 

[turf3]

Is the neck different..

There are differences in the octave vent shape on the necks between NW and 10M, and maybe other differences as well.

I went back and looked at the listing I referenced and it's pretty much all NW except the curved high E and maybe the engraving. Alt F# teardrop shape not a bar, NW left hand stack, fork Eb round back, and the distinctive low C/Eb key design, and the octave key touch like a chevron not a teardrop. These are all NW characteristics.

The various 10M (we really should call these "Artist") characteristics seem to have trickled onto the production units. I don't know if anyone's done a detailed serial number study. It certainly wouldn't surprise me to see units with older mechanics appearing even after newer ones were introduced. Somewhere in there, an acoustic design edit appears to have occurred, but I've never seen anyone be able to pinpoint when that was. Mechanics can be put on any body tube with very minor adaptations. Someone would have to do actual measurements.

 

[Pete Thomas]

I shifted my goal posts to around 1933 as both these saxes were over 2k. Hansons 2.5k, and communication was hard.

@Alastair Hanson ?

 

[eb424]

@Alastair Hanson ?

He is luverly...but a nightmare to communicate with phone or e mail. Also i was thinking cost wise whether £1000 difference is worth it..

 

[Pete Thomas]

He is luverly...but a nightmare to communicate with phone or e mail. Also i was thinking cost wise whether £1000 difference is worth it..

All depends on how good the horns are. I would trust Hanson.

 

[eb424]

All depends on how good the horns are. I would trust Hanson.

Oh i do..had some nice saxes of him.. Great guy knows his stuff. The wind section seem good too..

 

[Ivan]

There is NOTHING wrong with the keyboards of these horns. (I have smallish hands for a full grown man.)

How would the layout work for the large-handed, do you think?

 

[turf3]

How would the layout work for the large-handed, do you think?

Don't see why there's any issue. Bend your fingers more.

In a world where a single player is called on to go from piccolo to bass clarinet to bass sax to flute to soprano sax, and that player may be of large stature, small, or anywhere in between, there is clearly little or no size dependency on playing woodwinds.

 

[Ivan]

it could be a dog

I'm a bit concerned ree the neck now. Does it seem cheap. There are only 2 exact 1933s the one at Hansons and one on e bay from a seller that doesnt reply. I was interested in this as it was close to 33. I may open my mind to a purchase from the decade she was born. Bless shed laugh at me..

How's about finding a C melody of 1933 vintage?

They're not usually bank-bustingly expensive, and they have that family playing (sax) and singing to the house piano provenance

 

[PigSquealer]

How would the layout work for the large-handed, do you think?

I’ve never known anyone with large hands and sausage fingers to have problem.
Small hands being able to reach Bb or the table at all is common.

 

[eb424]

How's about finding a C melody of 1933 vintage?

They're not usually bank-bustingly expensive, and they have that family playing (sax) and singing to the house piano provenance

Nope tenor sax only..thanks tho..

 

[Hankenstine]

Another one here:

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[eb424]

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Hey thanks. I think thats the same one of e bay. I rung no reply difficult communication wise makes me worry. I just thought the obe from the wind section is 1500 still leaves scope for a full overhaul before the price of the others are reached.

 

[eb424]

Found a martin handcraft within budget. 1933. Is this a good model..