Band in a Box chord notation

[frankb]

I was typing some tunes into BIAB and all was well until I hit came across D7(b9)aug and A7(b9)aug. It doesn't seem to take all of A7(b9)/b5 either.

Unfortunately my music theory knowledge isn't quite up to (I'm being incredibly generous to myself here!) finding an acceptable alternative notation or chords that'll fit it their place.

Any suggestions?

All assistance much appreciated!

 

[Linky Lee]

A7 b9 b5 could be written as A diminished or the circle logo thing.

these are your notes from the chord : A Bb C Db Eb E F# G it makes up the A half whole diminished scale.

looking at the notes it's very close to a C blues scale, and is therefore probably a substitute for a Cm7? would that fit in the harmonic context?

The others would also be diminished chords, but would be whole diminished scales: A B C D Eb F F# G# for the A and D E F G Ab Bb B Db for the D chord.

This is new territory for me, my teacher has been trying to teach me diminished scales the last few weeks, I may of gotten this all wrong, but it's my guess.

 

[frankb]

Thanks Lee, that's a help.

I'm completely clueless about this!

 

[colin_]

Sorry Lee, I disagree!

Unless I'm going stir crazy, the chord tones for A Diminished are:
A, C, Eb, Gb

For A7 b9 b5 the chord tones are:
A, Db, Eb, G, Bb

To include C, would be to include a #9. The E is unnecessary because the 5th has already been flattened. I can't profess to be a teacher of harmonic theory but I would see the b5 b9 chord as a tritone substitution - essentially Eb7 over an A bass.

Frank you could try entering "Eb7/A" into BIAB and see what it makes of it, or try "A7 alt". But I had that software years ago and thought it was capable of recognising these extended chords?!? Have you tried removing all the punctuation and just entered it as: A7b5b9 ?

For the b9 Augmented chord your chord tones are:
root, maj 3rd, #5, 7, b9

In the key of D this is:
D, F#, A#, C, Eb

Which again is a tritone substitution, or Ab9 over a D bass.

Hope that helps.

 

[Linky Lee]

the C and E are the next lot of 'new' notes you'll come across if you extended the chord upwards, I believe, completing the scale, not the chord tones.

it's like taking a C major chord, you get C E G B as the 1 3 5 and 7, then you come across D F and A (2,4 and 6) making CDEFGAB when re-arranged to get the C major scale.

 

[spike]

To get back to the original question: a quick look at the " . . Manual . . " - Appendix B: List of Chords would suggest to enter - D7(b9)aug - type in - D7#5b9 - the chord type first followed by any alterations in ascending order - so the - A7(b9)b5 - would be entered as A7b5b9 - hope that helps.
gruss - spike

 

[frankb]

Thanks Spike. It's a long time since I've been hit with an RTFM!

My main issue is that I'm so much of a tyro at this that I didn't realise that D7(b9)aug was the same as a D7#5b9. Granted on the other one a bit of reading and engaging the grey matter (which in my case is brown!) should have provided the answer.

Thanks again,

Frank