Mouthpieces V16 External Dimensions With High Baffle?

[Veggie Dave]

The title pretty much covers the question - is there such a thing as a mouthpiece with the basic external dimensions of a Vandoren rubber V16 that also has a high baffle?

 

[rhysonsax]

Soprano, alto, tenor or baritone ?

Rhys

 

[turf3]

I'd think the Java and Jumbo Java are similar externally to the V16?? I have no direct experience. I may just be making that up.

 

[davidk]

Is this one any good? A Java tenor with a not-Java profile: T75+ Java Tenor saxophone mouthpiece

 

[Veggie Dave]

Soprano, alto, tenor or baritone ?

Alto and tenor.

I'd think the Java and Jumbo Java are similar externally to the V16?? I have no direct experience. I may just be making that up.

The beaks on those are longer and thinner. The V16 appears to be more of a standard/usual shape. I'm finally happy with my intonation (using a V16) but I could do with swapping between mouthpieces for different shows if possible. but I don't want to take big step backwards by playing a 'piece that has dramatically different external dimensions.

Is this one any good? A Java tenor with a not-Java profile: T75+ Java Tenor saxophone mouthpiece

Thanks, but sadly not.

 

[sax panther]

Would it be worth you trying to get a 2nd hand v16 and sending it off to a refacer to add a higher baffle?

If you haven't already tried , you can play around with dental wax to find out what level of baffle works for you. Strong enough to stay in there if you want to use it on a gig, but very easy to get out again. Plus if you get the minty stuff it makes your mouthpiece smell nice.

Haven't played a v16 for a long time, but other possible options off the top of my head for high baffle pieces that I remember being normal hard rubber sized...kanee studio, esm jazz, Jody jazz jet, drake studio..any of them worth a look?

 

[rhysonsax]

I've got a Vandoren Jumbo Java alto piece that Morgan Fry did work on for me back in 2010. He reduced the baffle a bit, worked on the chamber and refaced it to a 0.082" tip opening (between a Link 6* and 7). It made it more flexible with added warmth and breadth than the original design but it still has a good deal of edge,

I think the Jumbo Java has a standard size body which is similar to the V16. PM me if you are interested in it.

Rhys

 

[Steve Marshall]

It isn't that difficult to put a baffle in.
I would go for a Jumbo Java for high baffle. The none-Jumbo Java is what I use on tenor. Super mouthpieces. Java on its own will handle most situations. If you really want a high baffle piece Jumbo Java will strip the paint off.
V16 is based on the Meyer ebonite so nice but a bit tame. A Java has a bit more tone and a bit more oomph.

 

[Veggie Dave]

I dug out my old Jumbo Java to see if it would do the job even though the beak is so much thinner than a V16 ... and I very quickly discovered that I just don't like that harsh sound any more. Yes, it's the missing bit needed to perfectly replicate the saxophonist whose solos I'm playing, but I really don't like it. I think I'll get the sound engineer to add a little treble to my sound and leave it at that.

At a 100dB, the audience won't hear that slight difference anyway.

Thanks everyone.

 

[skeller047]

You could put a couple of very thick mouthpiece patches, the rubbery kind, on the Jumbo Java. That would change the beak feel and it might darken the tone enough as you have to open your mouth a bit more.

But your way sounds easier 🙂