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Alphorn

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...Micro-bearings? Nah...just shove a bit of brass tube on a spring down the ol' barrel.
Not quite. There are Minibal bearings. They are not commonly used and are not exactely cheap.

Minibal Bearings

The manufacturer of the bearings is just around the corner where I live as well as the woodwindshop (Dörfler Klarinetten) from which the picture below is taken. Minibal bearings on their high end clarinets.

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Stephen Howard

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Yep, I've seen the Miniballs (fitted to a Martin, no less). It's a good idea, but it's essentially old technology adapted to fit a horn.
 
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Just in case you are all wondering, we are still working on this. It is taking time to make sure this is exactly how I want it and QC is up to the standard I want it to be.
 

rhysonsax

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I'm not totally sure what that means
I would guess it might mean having similar characteristics in terms of sound, key spacing, action, design.

So for example a Buffet S1 alto and tenor would "match" but a Conn 6M and a Selmer MkVI tenor wouldn't really.

I guess if the basic design started life as "similar to a" particular alto and a particular tenor by one existing manufacturer, they might still "match" even after lots of modifications in the development process.

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Stephen Howard

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I would guess it might mean having similar characteristics in terms of sound, key spacing, action, design.
It's not necessarily a desirable thing.

The number of clients I see who have 'matched horns' is vanishingly small compared to those who have different makes across the range.
In fact I'd go a bit further and say that matched horns aren't all common among experienced players.
 

Pete Effamy

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It's not necessarily a desirable thing.

The number of clients I see who have 'matched horns' is vanishingly small compared to those who have different makes across the range.
In fact I'd go a bit further and say that matched horns aren't all common among experienced players.
Ok, to phrase differently: have the playing characteristics of each horn been conceptualised with little or no regard to the other, merely ‘This’ll make a great tenor and that’ll make a great alto’?

I still know plenty of players who have all Mk6 axes or Yanis or whatnot....
 

Pete Effamy

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Ok, to phrase differently: have the playing characteristics of each horn been conceptualised with little or no regard to the other, merely ‘This’ll make a great tenor and that’ll make a great alto’?

I still know plenty of players who have all Mk6 axes or Yanis or whatnot....
Come to think of it, some people have those awful Yamahas, you know, the ones without an engine :p
 

Stephen Howard

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Come to think of it, some people have those awful Yamahas, you know, the ones without an engine :p
That raises an interesting point insomuch as players who stick with a single brand often use different models. I used a Yamaha 23 tenor for years, but a 62 alto. A common combination among Selmer players is a MKVI tenor and a BA/SBA alto.
 

randulo

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This raises a fascinating question: Is an alto, simply a smaller, lighter tenor with a different range? I believe if you ask the same question with tenor and soprano or alto and baritone, the answer is a screamed-in-unison "NO!!!"
 

Pete Effamy

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This raises a fascinating question: Is an alto, simply a smaller, lighter tenor with a different range? I believe if you ask the same question with tenor and soprano or alto and baritone, the answer is a screamed-in-unison "NO!!!"
I’m not sure I understand your drift on this. They are all saxophones. Along with the bass and sopranino a huge compass of notes - a whole orchestra if you like - is covered by the one type of instrument. Are they different to play? Well they all work in the same way, but yes, they all come with their own challenges.

In fact, in a classical sax quartet, I would think that their primary concern is making all the horns sound like an extension of the others. Homogeny.
Same as a bass clarinet, alto clarinet, Bb and Eb.

My question about the Cafe Saxophone is merely whether the two horns will - as Steve Puts it - be a Yamaha 62, or will one be a 62 and the other a Custom for example?

Note that I didn’t express a preference in my original question for them to be “the same” or not - it was just a question. At the end of the day, you blow a horn and you either like it or not.

It’s a very exciting prospect and incredibly brave by Pete as “just a bloke” to design and manufacture their own horn, rather than a company. To go one further and to be groundbreaking in design materials etc is terrific.
 

randulo

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I’m not sure I understand your drift on this. They are all saxophones.
My theoretical question is that if you could simply shrink a tenor to the size of an alto would it be identical? Somehow, I think not. But maybe it would?
 
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