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I see that the very Borgani OBT Vintage Tenor subject to the review from July is now for sale on eBay here

Now that @Stephen Howard has rectified the faulty points of manufacture and made some practical modifications, someone could pick up a bargain that really is genuinely better than new
 
Alphorn said:
WHAT???

That was an expensive excursion!
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Yep, indeed it was. But it highlights how important it is not to be swayed by celebrity players and reviews that gloss over the technicalities when choosing a horn - and make the time to actually try the thing out before handing over the readies.
 
greenstripe said:
I see that the very Borgani OBT Vintage Tenor subject to the review from July is now for sale on eBay here

Now that @Stephen Howard has rectified the faulty points of manufacture and made some practical modifications, someone could pick up a bargain that really is genuinely better than new
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If someone wanted a Borgani tenor, they'd be unlikely to get a better deal. Or a better example.
 
I'd love to know how much this horn ended up costing, purchase plus all the work you did etc.

To be honest I could understand it leaving a sense of resentment and wanting to get rid.
 
stitch said:
I could better understand sending it back for a refund or getting Borgani to foot the repair bill.
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I would have sent it back, no question. As long as folks put up with such shoddy workmanship, they'll likely keep churning it out.
I would hope the reviews might make them reconsider their approach, but I suspect there are plenty enough suckers out there who'll keep handing over the spondies. And, to be fair, plenty of folks who simply don't realise that what they've bought isn't up to snuff for the price.
 
I think there's a culture in this country where people are reluctant to challenge and have expectations that others will be honest and fair. Unfortunately there are many people ready to take advantage of this.

I know someone who has a Selmer SA-80 Series I that they bought from a well known dealer and it's terrible - sticky pads, knackered springs and inconsistent action.

I think I've managed to convince him to take it to an independent tech for an appraisal, if I was buying a sax from a dealer for £3k I would expect everything required on it to be done: period. I'd understand if it was a commission sale being sold on behalf of a customer, but this one wasn't.
 
greenstripe said:
I think there's a culture in this country where people are reluctant to challenge and have expectations that others will be honest and fair. Unfortunately there are many people ready to take advantage of this.
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I think that's broadly true now matter where you are - but there's an extra dimension with horns. Unlike, say, buying a washing machine there's an element of personal/emotional choice involved - and it often strikes a nerve when someone suggests that you might not have made the best choice.
 
Stephen Howard said:
I think that's broadly true now matter where you are - but there's an extra dimension with horns. Unlike, say, buying a washing machine there's an element of personal/emotional choice involved - and it often strikes a nerve when someone suggests that you might not have made the best choice.
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Indeed that's what I was driving at when I mentioned a sense of resentment -it's the sense of shame and embarrassment people experience when realise they've been taken for a ride.

PS I've had my washing machine for nearly 16 years. It will be a very emotional moment when I have to replace it
 
greenstripe said:
Indeed that's what I was driving at when I mentioned a sense of resentment -it's the sense of shame and embarrassment people experience when realise they've been taken for a ride.

PS I've had my washing machine for nearly 16 years. It will be a very emotional moment when I have to replace it
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Don't buy a H-Wash Hoover.
Talking to a man in the fixing trade the other day - he says that Haier washing machines are the top pick for build quality at a reasonable price.
 
We had one Miele WM catch fire (I spotted it smoking and called the fire brigade who removed it pronto), Miele investigated and replaced FOC. But then Miele wouldn't honour their 10 year warranty on the replacement when its bearing went, until I pointed out it included an "unfair contract" term and they backed down and replaced the replacement FOC.

We also had a Miele technician come to fix a faulty oven. He took it out of its cabinet, fixed it, but couldn't get it back in again claiming "it could never have fitted." Miele paid for our kitchen fitter to put it back in.

Hang on... is this off topic? Ooops!

NB. Fire chief said "...never run a washing machine or tumble drier at night when you're in bed. We see so many fires caused this way."
 
Another new review on the site - the Kohler Empor baritone.
This turned out to be a very big job - and a very nice horn.

Kohler Empor baritone saxophone review

A workbench review of the Kohler Empor baritone sax
www.shwoodwind.co.uk

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And as if that isn't enough - there's also a walk-through article on the rebuild process of this grand old baritone..

Kohler Empor baritone sax rebuild

An overview of the Kohler Empor baritone sax rebuild
www.shwoodwind.co.uk

shwwimg_kohler_empor_baritone_dimantled TW smaller.webp
 

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