Scratches/Dings

FastFred

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Is there any way of removing small scratches from my 3 month old YTS275. Despite taking care of it the inevitable scratches appear. Also there is the tiniest ding on the bell which I can't even feel inside. Any advice please other then don't worry about it.
Thanks Simon
 
Simon, I really don't wish to offend you in any way, but maybe if you looked upon your saxophone as a musical instrument, an innate object with which you can have hours and hours of fun and enjoyment, instead of a precious and unique work of art to be cherished and protected at all costs, you may just discover music, which you can't scratch and stands up well to the tiniest of dings, in fact there are musicians who actually make music with scratches and dings.

However on a more serious note, maybe the polish you use to clean the laquer on your Landrovers might help.

Having said that I apologize for my answer and retreat to the kitchen.

You can always pick out a true Englishman from a group of English speaking people, they're usually the ones who say sorry the most.

gruss - spike
 
I know how you feel Fred, If I ding my sax's I will be mad for a day or so then hopefully I'll see it as character building. :cry:

I'm sure a small ding or scuff wont detract from the resale value if that was your thought. I shouldn't think there is alot you can do but no doubt someone who knows more will comment.



See ya
Col.
 
Thanks Col.

At the end of the day it is my perogative as to how I choose to look after something I have bought. A manufacturer (Yamaha) also went to a great deal of time and effort designing and manufacturing such a beautiful shiny instrument. The scratch and ding don't bother me that much but I was brought up respecting things that others have toiled over. I didn't ask for advice about how to get lost in the music...


Regards
 
Fastfred:

I understand why you took exception to Spike's post. He's apologised.

I deleted your post as we do try to keep things a bit civilised - any disputes are best done privately.

Thanks.

I think a deep scratch is probably there for life (relacquering is usally considered a bad idea these days), but I wonder whether something like T cut will work on light scratches - I would hesitate to try it on a cherished horn though in case it makes things works.
 
I used to be in the crash repair business and I can assure you that DIY ding repairs don't work. My advice is to leave the ding alone. As regards the scratches. Spike was right you know. A product like T Cut, used throughout the automotive industry to remove scratches from Landrovers and everything else, might do the trick. Put some on a soft cloth and gently rub the scratch. This will only work on surface marks. Deep scratches are there to stay. Be careful not to rub through the lacquer. Put a little polish over the repaired area. Test the "T" Cut on an out of sight area first. If it dulls the finish you will require an ammonia free compound. Ihope this helps.
 
Pete

All things being fair then I would appreciate if you would delete his response as it does allude to things that are completely irrelevant to playing a saxophone.

Thanks.
 
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I can understand going along with the T-cut idea, some people like to keep things looking good; personally I don't mind the odd scratch or ding as long as it doesn't affect the playability of the instrument. Having said that, I've only ever used pre-owned gear which inevitably is in less than perfect condition, if I bought a brand new sax or guitar it might be different.

Stories about ding-removal always remind me of Father Ted trying to remove the minor ding from a car in his care, with inevitable hilarious consequences.
 
FastFred wrote:
Any advice please other then don't worry about it.
Thanks Simon

Err,
I can see you have had plenty of replies (all well intended I can assure you) and it is clear by now that you are I'm afraid, stuck with the blemishes.
If you do find something that works beyond the opinions already posted I'd be suprised. The manufacturer of such a magic dust would make a mint when the word got out!
I bought a yamaha 62 alto from new in about 1987, I still have it and its still my main alto. Despite taking care, it now has a comfortable lived in look. Every ding/scratch really hurts huh?
 
I'm not one to fuss over dings and scratches. I like the vintage and used look.

But when I've got something new, I want it to look new for as long as possible and I take care of it.

I have had my Walstein for a while now and there wasn't a single mark on it a few weeks ago. I was very proud of it and wiped it after use and all sorts. But I put it away in it's case last week and I saw lacquer spotting on the crook octave mechanism and a mark in the bow that wouldn't wipe off. I'm now thoroughly disgusted with myself and can't wait for the rest of the lacquer to go so it starts looking properly worn, not just scruffy.
 
I won't say, "don't worry about it". I will suggest that it's best left alone.

I also have a YTS275 and it has one very minor scratch on the bell and a bit of scuffing under the bow where I rest it when I'm cleaning it out. I feel badly enough about that. If I tried to make things better and made them worse instead (not difficult) I'd be sick as a parrot!
 
I think that's the point. One scratch stands out like a sore thumb on a new shiny instrument. Maybe I should take some wet and dry and a hammer to the rest!

One of the reasons I asked was that I was looking on ebay the other day and a guy was selling a vintage sax with 'dings that are easily removed'. I just wondered how..Perhaps that's ebay for ya?
 
Hmmm.... If the dings are so "easily removed" one wonders why he hasn't removed them...

I'd leave the tools in the box. The scratch will soon have company, no matter how careful you are. :cry:
 
FastFred wrote:
IOne of the reasons I asked was that I was looking on ebay the other day and a guy was selling a vintage sax with 'dings that are easily removed'. I just wondered how..Perhaps that's ebay for ya?
If you are talking about dents.
I have seen a few impressive jobs but nothing completely flawless.
Even the impressive jobs on a small ding take a very skilled hand and exceptional luck or judgement when dressing the area. These examples I witnessed used a shaped tool that curved away from contact at all its edges and took into account the shape of the sax bore. This was built onto a rod for a handle.
Each one was custom built due to the shape of a sax and the location of the dent.
The tool was rolled back and forth/side to side with gentle pressure to tease the material back into its original place.
The biggest down fall would be to acciently displace some material so that it sticks out the other way. If you do that, you have to work on the outer surface which for a lacquered finish would be a complete nightmare.

I guess the ebay 'easily' is not too well thought out but at the same time they could be relatively minor less risky dings.
 
I would think those 'easily removed' dings are probably not going to affect the playability of the horn, but then again we are talking about ebay. Quite often the seller seems to be upfront about minor damage by trying to show it in photographs of the horn; as with all things on ebay it's 'sold as seen', but there have been numerous horror stories where faults and damage are a lot worse than described, and the vendor offers a strict no-returns policy. The saga of Jambo's (now my) Dolnet alto springs to mind.

I bought my YAS62 on ebay, where it was fortunately quite accurately described so I pretty much knew what I was getting i.e. a slightly lived-in alto with a small dent (about 8mm) on the side of the crook, so nothing to really worry about. Also, I paid cash and collected it which I think is something I'd do again if buying a horn that, no matter how well-packed, could get damaged in transit. This also means that a vendor selling a horn in worse condition than described can't fall back on the excuse that the horn was fine when he handed it over to the courier.

Finally, I think the only way to avoid scratching your sax would be to never take it out of your room, studio or whatever. Once you start playing out, a bit of scratching and minor dinging is almost inevitable if you're anywhere near a mic stand or another musician on a small stage where there's not much room to move. I'm more concerned about getting an accidental biff in the gob via the mouthpiece (done it, not nice, and blood-soaked reeds don't work so good) from walking into a mic-stand than I am about putting another scratch on my sax.
 
If you havent gone down the T cut route yet - try some brasso on a soft cloth as it is a little less abrasive, and dont try and remove the scratch by continuous rubbing either this will wear through the lacquer if you are not careful - . once youve tried the brasso remove and clean with a damp cloth, then spray some pledge/furniture polish on a cloth and then polish the area. - if that doesnt work the scratch is proably too deep.

as for the dent/ding where exactly is it and a picture would really help.
 

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