Sax.co.uk visit, TJJ Shocks!

Linky Lee

Senior Member
Messages
1,954
Location
Salisbury, UK
Today I was supposed to go to Sussex university for an admissions day, didn't quite work out so I took my dad off to the sax.co.uk shop in Crowborough.

I had a go on various saxophones; P.Mauriats, Yanagisawas, TJJ's.

I was so suprised by the quality of the TJJ's that I decided to make this thread, even though the Yanagisawa T902 won the day.

I tried a standard custom series brass horn and the Phosphor Bronze that I was slightly more interested in. The phosphor bronze had a really nice contrast between the gold lacquer finish keywork and the body. The lacquer seemed to be of good quality. I couldn't find anything wrong with the mechanism. It was slick, went with you, didn't drag behind or push forwards. Felt comfortable under the fingers and had nice feedback.
Both models felt the same and the consistency was good.
The only difference was the sound.
The brass model had a really nice sound but I'd have to say it was basic. It was saxophone, good quality saxophone but it's character and personality wasn't quite there.
The Phosphor bronze model was very different. The sound was pleasingly dark (darker than the T902) and projected brilliantly! I immediately felt some buzz coming from this horn in it's sound but my father said this wasn't coming through in what was coming out the bell and projecting to the audience. It was slightly more resistive than the Brass model but it's tone stayed more consistent and was really rich in the higher register and altissimo. The low C key was perfect (for my hands). The mechanism rivaled the Yanigasawas, only slightly worse but this C key made up for it.

Over all I felt it was a fantastic horn, much better than I expected and worth every penny.

I tried two different P. Mauriats, a System 76 (two different ones) and a 66R which was sold a few minutes afterwards, the last one they had! I tried the 76 first and It felt big. Like a Keilworth. It forced me to stand awkwardly and I didn't get on with that at all. I sat down which was better and had a go on the horn. The finish was good quality but felt 'furry' and really strange under the fingers. I don't think the finish is that realistic either it's to nicely done. The sound was big. Huge. The sax just did not do quiet. It was really rich and powerful and sounded fantastic when given the whack. astounding for Rock and R 'n' B work, or anything with electric instruments really. The 66R was basically the same just with a darker sound, this was better dynamically but still was best very loud. I didn't find them comfortable or versatile enough to warrant any further investigation as time was limited. A point I'd like to make was that the second 76 didn't play as the Bb closed with the B key. Bit dodgy, I pointed this out and it got fixed but not so great really. The mechanism wasn't quite right on either of them and didn't feel responsive. The low notes were a bit of a push as well.

The big big winner was the Yanagisawa T902 which blew me away and even now I can't get over how good this horn was. Amazing. I played one very briefly a week ago and was impressed and after today It's my favorite tenor I've ever gotten my hands on.

I picked up this horn and the first thing I noticed was that it was small. The keys were closer together, lower to the body and the key cups were smaller. The mechanism was solid and so it was lighter in weight. A great bonus! The saxophone sat comfortably either upright, or off to the side. Sitting down was no hassle either.
I immediately felt at home on this horn and it felt great before I'd even played a note.
I played few a few scales and riffs at various speeds and I was astounded by the action. It was so so slick and smooth. The octave key was great! hardly moves at the thumb but has a big affect on the pad by the octave nipple and was super quick. The low C key also felt really solid and comfortable, a key I usually find to be a bit randomly placed and generally either feels too heavy or floppy. The palm keys were easily accessible but didn't get knocked during playing as they were too high or accessible.
The sound was lovely, really dark but still pure. It didn't have the projection of the TJJ until you played loudly when the sax opened up and it got a bit brighter. The Altissimo spoke effortlessly and was instant. Everything responded immediately.
The biggest thing that impressed me was it's dynamic range. It played so quietly! The quietest I have ever heard any saxophone ever! I was almost struggling to hear it over the general noise of blowing a saxophone and it absolutely soared when blown. It had feathery lightness, it was smooth and sexy, then it could suddenly jump to raucous and proud. The horn let every nuance through, the articulation was projected and was really nice to hear clearly.
This horn just felt like magic under my hands and was incredibly relaxing to play. my fingers flew yet it felt effortless it allowed me to express myself to a greater contrast and the sound it let me produce gave me such a good feeling you couldn't help but grin stupidly and whack it back in your gob to play your favorite tunes!

I played a T901 briefly, it felt the same. Gorgeous, but just didn't quite have the sound has the T902. More contemporary and brighter, didn't quite have the dynamics of the T902 either, still extremely good though.

At the end of the day I would of been more than happy with either of the T902 or the TJJ and though the T902 certainly won the day, the TJJ really struck home and surprised. In a good way!
 
Well done Lee! It's great when you get that instant buzz off a horn that just makes you want to play it more... and more....

My Yani tenor is lovely too, it's an old ('95) T900, must be a forerunner of the 901/902. What's the difference between a 901 and a 902, are they made of different compounds to sound different? I remember trying four different Yani altos and the 902 and 992 were definitely a little darker than the 901 and 991 (same mpc/reed combo); this was back when I'd only been playing a few months, and even then I could tell the difference. Whether the differences in sound are down to the materials or construction is one of those things that have been debated before.

With the TJJ's, I've never played a tenor, but I like the altos. My only criticism, and it's a purely personal thing, is that the distance to the bottom Bb with the left pinky was a bit of a stretch.

Cheers, Bob
 
The **2's are bronze and the **1's are brass.

I actually quite like the brass finish as well. Looks nice.

I did find that with the TJJ as well but the key wash dished nicely that it felt comfy anyway.

I've had my tenor out and am incredibly impressed by it. So much better than the Mauriats. Really nice big sound when oushed, it just can't do quiet like the Yani of TJJ and isn't a smooth and the action isn't up to it. The best I've seen for under ?1500 since it cost me ?300! with a hardcase. You have to upgrade the mouthpieces on them though. I'm really enjoying my Tone Edge 6* I'm using at the moment.

That Yani though.... (enter smiley of person dribbling)
 
I meant to say, as well, my Yani plays well from a whisper to a scream, although I prefer to keep it down to a dull roar. I have a few mpc's - a 5c, a couple of cheap Rico Royals, a Selmer Soloist and a Jumbo Java for special occasions. I prefer the Selmer to all the others (I think I just like Selmer mpcs, I have them for alto and soprano as well) but the cheaper, like ?20, Rico Royals are surprisingly good. They are made of something called Graftonite whatever that is - I suspect nothing to do with the plastic saxophone of a similar name, however.

Cheers, Bob
 
Interesting...


I, a raw beginner, tried all the Borgani altos, and a Ref 54, but just somehow liked the 'feel' of the Yani 901 best... I couldn't say much about how they sounded, but the shop-owner said "That's the one for you" as I fumbled through some scales and a tune on the Yani 🙂
(I really struggled to get *anything* out of the Borgs... very disappointing)

My Hanson is, I believe, quite similar... I know Alistair Hanson rates Yanis highly.... although it's more 'robustly' constructed than the 901, I think.
 
I'm not sure I'd agree with you on the 'Robustness'. I'd whole heartedly agree with you on the Borgani's though. Jim who works at sax.co.uk even let his derogatory thoughts about them out a bit!

The Hanson is very much a Selmer MKVI copy in style of keywork and appearance. I find the Yanigasawas were much better suited to my hands.

You were playing altos and me tenors though so you could well be right. There are often differences between the different horns of the same model.
 
Got to agree with you about the Yani. I have a 991 and love it, though recently I've been playing my '39 'crat a lot. Very different but I love them both. As far as I'm concerned, I haven't yet met a saxophone with keywork that comes anywhere near the Yani...except a Mk VI. My pal Ian has a Mk VI and when I play it the keywork feels almost identical.

I've never tried a Hanson and keep meaning to go there when I'm travelling across country.
 
The thing that swung it for me with the 901 is the weight.
I've got all sorts of nerve trouble in my left shoulder, and the 901 is effortless to hold.
 
Hi Lee

A good review of your visit to Crowborough. I tried out exactly the same combination of horns as you in October when I also bought a T-902 from them. Unlike yourself though my struggle was deciding between the Yani and the Mauriat 66R. I tried the Trevor James bronze tenor model but just did not get on with it. It did not seem to have the same resonance or ring to the tone as the Yani did. Plus I thought it looked like something that would not go amiss on the wall of a pub - a bit like a kettle.

I would be interested to know if you tried a T-992 at all? It is supposed to be the big brother of the 902 though I found I much preferred the 902 (my wallet was relieved as well). The 992 didnt seem to have as much of the big resonance that swung the 902 in my favour. Someone has since suggested to me that this may be due to the 902 not having ribbed construction. I don't know enough about sax technology to comment, just that I preferred the cheaper Yani.

The standard Yani case is brill as well !

Glad you got the right sax for you
 
The 901s and 902s are noticeably lighter because they don't have the extra ribbing on the body for the posts. I know some people think that NOT having the ribbing allows the sax to resonate more. I just know that when I went to buy mine with a friend we both went for the sound of the T991. The T992 just didn't do enough for me to warrant the extra cost.

The ribbed construction dows make it a bit of a beast though. Playing the 'crat after the Yani, is like playing a feather.
 
I didn't try a T992, there wasn't enough time. It's on my list to try out, though I doubt I'll be able to stretch my budget to one even if I did prefer it.

I haven't actually bought myself a sax yet, I've still got to try out the Hanson tenors. It's one of those or the Yanigasawa really.

I'm really really impressed with my Prelude by Selmer-Conn. It is fantastic. I would rate it as highly as the brass gold lacquered TJJ Sig custom! The Phosphor Bronze did have a much nicer sound though. Possibly the best of them all. It was merely the response and feel that didn't quite cut it with the Yani.
 

Similar threads... or are they? Maybe not but they could be worth reading anyway 😀

New! Social Feeds

Look out for the navigation icon:

Follow CafeSaxophone

Trending

Latest Song of the Month

Forum statistics

Topics
32,008
Messages
576,631
Members
8,106
Latest member
gmaric22
Back
Top Bottom