Playing circle of fifths in a jazz style

[philhowe]

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[Pete Thomas]

He's proabably talking about "bebp" tonguing.

When you do this you get a nice swing feel without necessarily having to make your quavers long-short-long-short (triplet style)

To do bebop tinguing on quavers you slur the notes on the beat (iee the crotchet or quarter note beat in 4/4) and tonguing the upbeats .

If you think of quavers as 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &, you be tonguing the &s but not the 1 2 3 4.

Of course you should tongue the first note of a phrase so if it starts on the downbeat of 1, you would tongue:

Doo da yoo da yoo da yoo da

If it starts on the & of 1, you tongue

(rest quaver) da yoo da yoo da yoo da

 

[phil_edwards]

Pete Thomas wrote:

Doo da yoo da yoo da yoo da

If it starts on the & of 1, you tongue

(rest quaver) da yoo da yoo da yoo da

So to clarify (I hope it does!) you slur the da_yoo in each case as per...

Doo da__yoo da__yoo da__yoo da

Of course it that's nonsense feel free to delete the post in case it causes further confusion 😉

Phil

 

[Pete Thomas]

Yes, in each case the "yoo" is the crotchet on beat.

 

[Bobby G]

I think I'm getting the hang of the doo da-yoo da-yoo to swing it about a bit, what I can't quite get the hang of is the timing of the double-time da-yoo da-yoo da-yoo (normal time) did-diddly (double-time) da-yoo etc. It's where exactly in a bar or phrase it should come that confuses me, it's like it's on an up rather than a down, or something...

Make sense? By the time I've tried to count it it's gone past :erm:

Cheers, Bob

 

[Linky Lee]

you mean semi-quavers? traditionally they're not swung.

by all means you can swing them but a large amount o swing would sound a bit strange I think.

If you get the metronome out you can get it playing double time then apply the swing you already learnt. Then learn to do without the metronome playing double time etc. and gradually build up to having a consistent swing.

I think swing is one of those aspects of playing that can always be worked on, and really really makes or breaks some tunes.

 

[philhowe]

Hi guys,



Thanks

Phil

 

[phil_edwards]

I think you'll find the Jazz Conceptions series by Lennie Niehaus show just this. Here's a selection...

ttp://tinyurl.com/ywdemm

(URL tinied by admin, please use www.tinyurl for long URLs here, ta)

Simon will confirm no doubt but I've got a couple of these and they focus strongly on tunes written, and to be played, in the style you mention. (Simon, you owe me one!)

regards, Phil

 

[lee_]

Could an egg roll down hill end over end, or is that a physical impossibility, or at least an improbability? I ask cause this is really bothering me.

 

[mfox]

if i grasp what your asking you want to play a tune that uses a cycle of 5ths? inj a jazz rhythm?

well petes describe it perfectly..although its hard to put into words
doo be doo be doo be doo be is the basic swing rhythm..

as for a tune.. well 2 well known ones spring to mind..
listen to "fly me to the moon" and " all the things you are"
they both use 5ths for the much of the time.

hope this helps

 

[Pete Thomas]

Aha

Just found this on my site, I'd forgotten it.

http://www.petethomas.co.uk/jazz-warm-up.html

Shows bebop tonguing

 

[bruce]

I think I understand the egg rolling down the hill metaphor: you could say it rolls with a swing rhythm, especially if it it twice as long as it is wide.
It would not be a physical impossibility if was in a groove...