pete's hanson tenor

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It's been a good few months now since you purchased your Hanson Tenor. On another forum you claimed it to be the best tenor you've ever played.
I was just wondering, with plenty of playing time under your belt, whether you still hold the same opinion?
How does it compare to the Martin and Conn.
By the way on that same forum where you posted three sax tests- Conn, Martin and Hanson,- i voted Hanson first ,followed by the Martin and the Conn.
By the way, have you ever tried a B&s medusa? When i play tested an st8 at Hansons shop, it was absolutely identical..soundwise.
 
I returned that Hanson - after much testing I couldn't get the altissimo as well as I needed. Note that this is real nit-picking, I thought the horn was so good it must be possible to find one that has that sound and feel plus the ease of altissimo range so my plan is to visit the Hanson factory again when I have time to try out a few ST-8s, I'm confident of finding one that suits me perfectly.
 
Pete, did you play the Hanson alto as well? If so, do your comments about the tenor also apply to the alto?

I seem to remember you saying that the Hansons had a vintage-ish sound, but obviously having modern keywork. This could be the ideal combination for me.

Cheers, Bob
 
Yes I played a few altos, all very good. My comments however are about that one particluar tenor, another tenor I tried there was also great in a different way. This was a MKI ST-8 (not that they are officially called MKI, just an earlier model). This one was bare brass and really projected nicely with the same kind of resonant feel as the other one (the gold one). My comments about altissimo are only regarding the gold one, and even then my issue was only with one note. I really am nitpicking and bear in mind it could be a particular horn/mouthpiece combo so don't take my review too literally.

I think the vintage sound plus modern keywork is a great concept. As long as you don't equate "vintage sound" with sounding old fashioned - it's a round full bodied sound that can be made to sound just as modern as any modern horn (most easliy achieved with the right mouthpiece).

I have a theory that it's much easier to make a vintage sounding horn sound modern than vice versa.

The only Hanson I haven't been completely impressed by is the soprano, mostly due to the postion of the LH G key which I found to be too offset for my taste (but then I was brought up on Buescher Truetones).

BTW, the baritone SB-8 is a killer horn
 
Thinking about it Bob, I know you travel a fair bit with work.

You are welcome to drop by and play my Hanson Alto if your work ever takes you to my area. Just drop me a PM or something.

I would tend to agree with Pete's comment that making a vintage alto sound more modern is easier than the opposite. It's what I've experienced anyway.

The sound of the Hanson's are very full and pure. I find mine bright in comparison to my Martin Handcraft, but I've played with many people on modern Yanigasawas and Yamahas and I must admit it blends in with them nicely, though I think I have a generally brighter than normal sound coming from a classical flute background. This would lead me to believe that for the average player and set-up they should be a bit darker than most modern horns. How true that holds I can't tell.

I certainly like the clarity and quality of sound they give. I haven't found a horn better for those two features.

As everyone says, you do have to try them out.
 
Pete,

Great site - thanks.

I'm quite a new sax-obsessive and it's great to be able to draw on the knowledge of experienced players.

I have played a 1954 The Martin tenor for a couple of years now. I returned a Yamaha '62 as soon as I played the Martin - the Martin just sings more beautifully!

I was thinking of buying a modern horn for a couple of reasons: ergonomics - Martin is light-actioned and agile mostly but low C# etc is a little athletic. Also I think some horns are easier to get a clean pp sound with towards the top end. Nothing beats the Martin with all the stops out, but some horns are perhaps more versatile do you think?


I was interested to know how you rate the Hanson v Yanigasawa and if you find the modern keywork a real bonus. Do you think the Hanson is a characterful horn for a modern one (I usually find old things more endearing even if a little less comfortable!)?

Cheers.
 
I'm intrigued by this ergonomic thing with modern horns. One of the reasons I was looking at new horns a while ago was this perception in my mind that my Martin (1936 model) was all wrong ergonomically and that a new horn would feel, and fall into place, much easier. Well, it didn't. In fact of all those I tried they all had the RH side keys a good 1/2" higher up than I'm used to, meaning the top E was VERY difficult to reach without quite a lot of hand movement.

Of course you could put that down to familiarity with the Martin, but basically the keys were a stretch on TJJ, Yam, Mauriat and Hanson, whereas they aren't on my horn. There's progress! Hence I kept the Martin.

Of course each one had subtle differences, mainly around the little finger placement, but really there was nothing different otherwise between a vintage and a new one.

Perhaps I'm odd... (there you go, set you up nicely for a response 😉 )

regards, Phil
 
It's a good point, whatever you have been playing on will feel familiar and comfortable, something may actually be ergonomically better, but if it isn't what you're used to then it will feel odd or uncomfortable until you get used to it.
I agree with you that the RH side keys are generally higher up than they need to be on the majority of modern horns.

I recently tried a T902 myself and loved it, the best tenor I've ever played, I was equally impressed with another T902 I played a week earlier though on spent 5 minutes with that one so didn't make any solid opinions at that time.

What I believe to be the case is that (good quality) modern horns, e.g the T902 are closer and more consistent with intonation (as a general rule of thumb, many vintage horns are solid in these areas as well), They are generally slightly brighter but the tone is more consistent throughout the range. I find that many vintage horns have fabulous bottom octaves or really sing in the top register but can't carry it all the way through all the registers. I believe most modern horns are more consistent throughout the registers but therefore not necessarily as good in particular registers.
I also think many modern horns are less resistive to blow and aren't as mouthpiece choosey. In saying that, I like a bit of resistance and my Martin Handcraft alto is very nice to whatever I stick on the end, metal or other.

I own a Hanson SA-8 alto. as far as the alto models go, the Martin wins overall. The ergonomics aren't as good on the Martin and it doesn't run as slick unless set-up very well. The Hanson has a crystal clear projection and a very large rich sound. I find it slightly too much and it cuts through very well making it seem fairly bright (to my ears). I think it would be great in a live situation or with electrified bands. (I don't find it too bright in a live situation, I could do with some more edge actually so I normally crack out the metal Link for live use as it's brighter and louder than the tone edge I normally use). The Martin on the other hand has a very very smooth and sweet sound that is what most people would describe as lyrical I guess. It still cuts through and can roar like any other, but the Hanson can't touch it on the ballads and quieter more homogeneous playing.

I would assume the same basic principles apply to the tenors, though I haven't managed to play a Hanson tenor as of yet. I'm upgrading my tenor sax and I've narrowed it down to the T902, the Hanson or a vintage horn if I can find a good enough one when I have the money to buy. my vintage horns of choice would certainly start with a The Martin and a Conn 10M along with some others.

Hope it gives you a bit more of an idea about the horn(s).
 
Thanks.

The T992/T902 are the only horns that I have played (I've not tried Hanson) that can match the Martin's addictive bottom end that makes you want to doodle down there all day! It's not bassyness exactly, just the balance of harmonics - some horns seem to have something missing in the lower register. I dare say one would adjust in time and they would end up sounding more similar.

One thing I have found with the T902 and to a lesser extent other modern horns: thay are easier to play down to a whisper - I'm pretty sure I have no leaks on the Martin but it still needs a more air volume to keep things moving.
 
I'd be interested to know what you thought of the difference between the T902 and 992 was like.

I completely agree with you that te T902's are easily playable at a whisper. I made a thread reviewing one which I played a couple weeks ago. This was the point that I kept coming back to that I couldn't get out of my head. I could play this thing so quietly I could hardly hear the tone over the air and reed noise, yet it was still there and under control, It didn't have a cut off point where it just stopped making the note like every other horn I've tried, it just got quiter and quieter until it disappeared. Marvelous.

That was the only horn excluding my Hanson which I have found can do that (the Hanson not quite as well) so I wouldn't go as far as to say modern horns do, but in my experience the only ones that have done have been modern horns.
 
Really tricky one for me. I hate to say it but I do think the hanson is a better all round than "The Martin" I have. Something about the feel of resonance you get from playing a Hanson (or rather the one I had). As I said my issue with it was only on one altissimo note. I prefer the hanson over any Selmer and I think it compares very favourably with a p992 I recently played (but it would be interesting to get them side by side).

There are still things a "The" has that no other horn will ever rival I believe. Solderd tone holes that drop off? No seriously, it may due to the soldered tone holes but it has real projection. I compared it with Stephen Howard's Yamaha, the Martin was similar but better IMO, however S.H. preferred the Y.
 
He really does like his Yamaha doesn't he.

I think the main issue with something like this is that you can generalise a model of a horn to have certain core characteristics, and the majority will agree. But there is always the one particular saxophone that has that bit extra. I think that something special can pop up in any saxophone of any standard.

The saxophones that have the big names I believe are just the ones that a large majority of people found had that something special they were after, maybe in terms of feel, sound, or projection I don't know.

The point is we're all different and get different responses and feelings back from the exact same things as we all think, believe and have preferences that are different. However similar we may be, and however similar or exact copies the saxophones may be, different people will pick out different ones as being superior.

ok, so Pete found that particular Hanson to be great, slightly better than his 'The Martin' which you would have to say is also great. You give those exact same two horns to someone else and they could absolutely adore the Martin over the Hanson.

It's interesting, There is no substitute for playing the actual saxophone. though it is possible to give a rough description of it's basic characteristics. and two exactly similar saxophone can be completely different. Kind of makes you think that the saxophone has nothing to do with it. But we all know it does 😛

Here's the link to the three sound clips. http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=35187&page=2&highlight=Hanson

The Conn 10M was my favorite, it seemed more reverborous (is that a word?) After that the Hanson was my favorite followed by the Martin, but I couldn't tell as big a difference between the Martin and the Hanson as I could between the Conn.
 
Yes I checked out the clips - I had a slight preference for The Martin followed by the Hanson and then the Conn. I agree there was very little between Martin and Hanson - a few more blind tests (slightly different mic posns etc as pointed out in thread) would catch anybody out I'm sure. I guess a lot of the percieved differences between particular horns are more apparent to the player than to the listener at the business end - I guess a horn that feels like its singing because certain resonances are rattling the horn doesn't mean the sound is any different - as you say Pete, it isn't a drum or guitar. Similar for metal/HR mouthpiece - the difference in sound coming through your skull is more distinct than the sound coming out. Having said that, the sound coming back to the player is going to affect the way you feel and hence play the horn. We wouldn't be making music if we were purely rational beings!

I'm afraid I haven't done a proper lengthy test comparing T902 with T992, just a quick blow on different days. I'll let you know the results when (or if) I decide to go modern! I need to get as obsessed with the notes as I am with sound first in any case!

Regards ergonomics - just the left hand pinky on The Martin is a little heavy, no complaints otherwise. I tried easing off the C# a bit, but I just blew the pad off the hole at ff and made a silly burbbling sound!

Many thanks for all the helpful advice - I had barely considered the Hanson before I found this site - I have now aural proof it can sound like "The Martin". Anyone got an RPC they don't want? - great sound Pete!
 
My take on the samples:

The Martin sounded the richest, and slightly darker than the Hanson. The Hanson was a wee bit brighter, and the Conn was the most spread.

The difference was very subtle overall however. Any of the three would work beautifully (and I own two out of three of them. Still haven't found a Hanson stateside to sample 🙁 )

I'm sure that the ergos on the Hanson is quite a bit more user friendly for most. I'm so used to the vintage horns and how they feel and play I'm not sure in my case.
 
Saxismyaxe wrote:
I'm sure that the ergos on the Hanson is quite a bit more user friendly for most. I'm so used to the vintage horns and how they feel and play I'm not sure in my case.

Same here, I'm so used to Conn 10Ms and Martins, the Hanson with its Semery feel takes me time to get used to, but not too long.
 
I listened to the clips, but I wouldent have said that the tone were noticably different.... or at least not different enough to make a fuss over!

But then, I am a believer that the tone comes from mp, reed and player... not the horn
 
the player also experiences a much bigger variation in tone as everything is amplified in their bones inside their own body and the brain processes not just the sounds, but the vibrations as well.

This isn't hugely noticeable for the listener, but when a player finds something they like, they feed of it and enjoy it more, play better and are more inspired (this is what I find anyway).

The sound that you think you get from a horn is probably the most important thing in terms of the tone. Obviously you want the audience to hear your best tone, but if you are hearing it you'll be producing your best sounds anyway which will come through on recordings and live situations anyway, just not to such a great extent as to yourself.
 

Similar threads... or are they? Maybe not but they could be worth reading anyway 😀

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