opinion on scale learning,

[Jazzaferri]

I would suggest following the circle of fifths. but like an inverted pendulum. start with C then 1 # (G) the 1 b (F) and then back to sharp side

Once you have them down continued practice is (if one is interested in improv) best worked on counter clockwise around the cycle.

 

[Jeanette]

Once you have them down continued practice is (if one is interested in improv) best worked on counter clockwise around the cycle.

That's interesting can I ask why?

Jx

 

[Jazzaferri]

Its a V I cadence all the way around.… C is V of F which is V of Bb etc etc.

Every improv teacher and coach I know or have read all teach to know lots of ii V I phrases. So one is learning acoustically and if one practices intelligently ….. mechanically ...…….scalar phrases that emphasize the V I part of the equation

When I was in jazz school I would do my long tones and overtones then work through the arpeggio/scale exercise I described earlier in this thread, then work phrase exercises back through the cycle. Then each day I would focus on a key and do the various scales and modes in that key. Finally a bit of work on songs. 4-6 hours a day plus rehearsing/gigging for 4 years. It took me nearly two years to forget it all and get to playing ROFL though I still do the arp scale exercise as a finger warmup after my long tone noodles

 

[chekre]

Its a V I cadence all the way around.… C is V of F which is V of Bb etc etc.

Every improv teacher and coach I know or have read all teach to know lots of ii V I phrases. So one is learning acoustically and if one practices intelligently ….. mechanically ...…….scalar phrases that emphasize the V I part of the equation

When I was in jazz school I would do my long tones and overtones then work through the arpeggio/scale exercise I described earlier in this thread, then work phrase exercises back through the cycle. Then each day I would focus on a key and do the various scales and modes in that key. Finally a bit of work on songs. 4-6 hours a day plus rehearsing/gigging for 4 years. It took me nearly two years to forget it all and get to playing ROFL though I still do the arp scale exercise as a finger warmup after my long tone noodles

man you are so far a head of me but thanks for your effort!!!!

 

[Jazzaferri]

Everyone starts at their journey at the beginning and ends it at their end.

The important thing is to be enjoying the journey

 

[chekre]

Everyone starts at their journey at the beginning and ends it at their end.

The important thing is to be enjoying the journey

yes!!!

 

[Caz]

Everyone starts at their journey at the beginning and ends it at their end.

The important thing is to be enjoying the journey

And learn to love (or at least) the crippeling selfdoubt a long the way.

 

[trimmy]

HAHA WE ARE GETTING PHILOSOPHICAL ...I AM HAVING A BALL MAYBE CAUSE I AM HAVING NO EXPECTATIONS OTHER THAN THE FUN OF LEARNING....I MEAN PEOPLE THESE DAYS LEARN VIDEO GAMES!!!!

Stop shouting, i have a headache

 

[chekre]

can anybody suggest first song to learn...something VERY simple.......easy key!!! thx

 

[spike]

Happy Birthday perhaps or Three Blind Saxophone Playing Mice
or what about:

Charlie Parker sat on a wall
Charlie Parker had a great fall
All the great sax techs and all the Cafe Sax men
Couldn't glue Charlie's Grafton together again.

Do it in C for a start then run around the circle of 5ths

 

[chekre]

Happy Birthday perhaps or Three Blind Saxophone Playing Mice
or what about:

Charlie Parker sat on a wall
Charlie Parker had a great fall
All the great sax techs and all the Cafe Sax men
Couldn't glue Charlie's Grafton together again.

Do it in C for a start then run around the circle of 5ths

hahahahaha....too funny......come on Spike>>>>

 

[nigeld]

Autumn Leaves is a nice tune, and not too hard.

 

[Jeanette]

Have a look at @Chris Smith UK posts he's not been learning long and has started on some tunes.

But @spike was serious and those tunes played as stated will be useful

Jx

 

[Colin the Bear]

Autumn Leaves is a nice tune, and not too hard.

Very informative for your fingers. Lots of simple arpeggios and progressions.

 

[Zugzwang]

Without a teacher, “What scales (etc) to learn?” is a subject close to my heart, so thanks for starting this @chekre - here’s a couple of suggestions for when you’re away from your horn:
Learn the intervals between notes in each type of scale in whole/half steps aka tone/semitone
eg Major= TTSTTTS
Every type of scale will have its own arrangement which gives it its sound (sorry if this is blindingly obvious)

And learn the order of the Circle of Fifths/Fourths back to front and inside out. It gets more and more useful as time goes on.
Good luck

 

[Jonesy]

can anybody suggest first song to learn...something VERY simple.......easy key!!! thx

The first 3 I learnt on Tenor were 'Tequila' (in C), 'O Sole Mio' (in G) and 'Beautiful Dreamer' (in F).