Saxophones Low Bb vs low A baritones.

[turf3]

I've not played a low A on a regular basis, only "fooling around" and that one year way back in college. But it always seemed to me that the intention was to get low A by playing low Bb and then adding the thumb key. Getting all three of those large keys with long whippy rods and arms and linkages to reliably close on the one thumb key always seemed pretty dubious to me.

That said, I have not had a modern low A bari in front of me for careful examination.

 

[Grumps]

It can make a difference depending on your playing position...
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Is it just me, or are others wondering how much spit is dripping down on you at the time...

 

[Pete Thomas]

Is it just me, or are others wondering how much spit is dripping down on you at the time...

No spit at all

 

[thomsax]

Low Bb baritones are made by R&C, Amati and P.Mauriat.

P.Mauriat PMB-302

PMB-302

The PMB-302 is a Low Bb bari sax! Featuring a massive bell that enables the player to create a huge omnidirectional sound with the unparalleled “punch” of the Low Bb horn, jazz players and saxophone traditionalists alike will appreciate the modern key mechanism combined with the vintage build...

www.pmauriatmusic.com

Amati 63 Andromeda (according to Amati cz catalogue).

Maybe it's old info?

 

[turf3]

Low Bb baritones are made by R&C, Amati and P.Mauriat.

P.Mauriat PMB-302

PMB-302

The PMB-302 is a Low Bb bari sax! Featuring a massive bell that enables the player to create a huge omnidirectional sound with the unparalleled “punch” of the Low Bb horn, jazz players and saxophone traditionalists alike will appreciate the modern key mechanism combined with the vintage build...

www.pmauriatmusic.com

Amati 63 Andromeda (according to Amati cz catalogue).

Maybe it's old info?

At Sweetwater, Eastman is also indicated, and POSSIBLY Keilwerth - they have a listing "with low Bb"; the photo shows a low A; so unconfirmed. Keilwerth's website does NOT indicate any low Bb models.

 

[helen]

When listing who makes low Bb & low A baris, I didn't see JK's listing, that yes, is still available to the best of my knowledge. It says the following on their website:

The SX90 Baritone saxophones offer a rich, deep tone with versatility to adapt perfectly from the large ensemble to a small group or solo performance. Agile and precise key work lets the player maneuver with ease, while comfortably producing a full-bodied and robust sound. With optional ranges to either Low Bb or A, the SX90 Baritone is the optimum choice for the modern baritone saxophone player.

• Options :
• JK4300-8-0 :Gold lacquer, low Bb to High F#
• JK4310-8-0 :Gold lacquer, low A to High F#

Although they don't show any low Bb horns on their site, I have some on my SX90 bari page if anyone is interested.

 

[Stephen Howard]

I've not played a low A on a regular basis, only "fooling around" and that one year way back in college. But it always seemed to me that the intention was to get low A by playing low Bb and then adding the thumb key. Getting all three of those large keys with long whippy rods and arms and linkages to reliably close on the one thumb key always seemed pretty dubious to me.

That said, I have not had a modern low A bari in front of me for careful examination.

The key (excuse pun) is in eliminating those long whippy rods - or at least minimising the flex inherent in such long and large keys.
But far and away the worst method is by the use of what I call 'flying arms' - such as those found on Yani 900 series baritones.

Not only do the actuator arms flex but so do the receiving arms - so it all gets a bit approximate in the end.
The Yamaha system wins out by the sheer beefiness of its twin-armed thumb key, which has separate arms for the B/Bb and A keys - and the arms are kept as short as possible.
The modern Selmer 'round-the-back' mechanism comes in second place, but does offer an easier means of adjusting the bias. in the mech. The low A mech fitted to MkVI baritones is bloomin' awful.

The Conn-Selmer Avant 180 I fixed up yesterday has a round-the-back mech (with a naff thumb key. Too flat) but also has a triple captive keyguide for the bell keys. Makes an appreciable difference.

 

[Stephen Howard]

Yeah, that can be an issue for some I guess. Just doesn't resonate with me when one gig might be on alto and the next on bari. That's a much bigger difference than an extra key.

Yep, same for me back in the day when I was toting a Martin Handcraft bari on one number and the YTS-23 on the next.
And I have never, ever used a harness.
But I had a few tricky moments when playing a low A bari all night on a soul gig.

It's all about building up your core muscles. I did this with RAW by slinging it round my neck for a day while I mooched around the house. I mentioned this to a client just the other day who asked "Why didn't you just practice?"
"I was...I was practising carrying the horn around my neck!"

 

[Grumps]

No spit at all

Before you warmed up then...

 

[Wonko]

It can make a difference depending on your playing position...
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And depending on your age.....
You won't find many 50+ year old people playing like that I think.....

Mind you, it does take the weight off your neck

 

[JayeNM]

A smaller bare patch of lawn then

Lawns are evil...haven't you heard ?

 

[JayeNM]

Low Bb baritones are made by R&C, Amati and P.Mauriat.

P.Mauriat PMB-302

PMB-302

The PMB-302 is a Low Bb bari sax! Featuring a massive bell that enables the player to create a huge omnidirectional sound with the unparalleled “punch” of the Low Bb horn, jazz players and saxophone traditionalists alike will appreciate the modern key mechanism combined with the vintage build...

www.pmauriatmusic.com

Amati 63 Andromeda (according to Amati cz catalogue).

Maybe it's old info?

Good sleuthing, everyone...more than I thought, then.

Mauriat
Eastman
JK (ostensibly)
Amati
R&C

That's good to know....

Gonna leave Thomann off the list as jury is out on whether that store brand is of the echelon of reliable and of good quality...

 

[Pete Effamy]

Lawns are evil...haven't you heard ?

No, they’re quintessentially English. Well they were until the drought killed it all..

 

[turf3]

Lawns are evil...haven't you heard ?

That seems to be the new mentality. All the Gen-Zers and millennials that buy in our neighborhood refuse to water or edge or keep the bushes alive, just barely mowing frequently enough to avoid getting tickets from the city. Some of them are trying the "gravel yard xeriscape" concept but they seem unable to grasp that Dallas, TX is NOT in the middle of a desert. It is grassland, naturally, so when they put their beloved gravel yard in it takes about six months before the gravel is full of weeds, grass sprigs, and little trees growing up from the acorns and pecans. Unlike an ordinary grass yard where you just mow that little stuff off, with the gravel yard you've got to sit out there and pick 'em out one by one. Forever. Or, you do like these Gen Z and millennials do, and just leave it, so pretty soon it looks like crap. Honestly, kids, it would have been a heck of a lot easier to just buy a cheap lawnmower and run it over the yard every 2-3 weeks.

 

[Targa]

That seems to be the new mentality. All the Gen-Zers and millennials that buy in our neighborhood refuse to water or edge or keep the bushes alive, just barely mowing frequently enough to avoid getting tickets from the city. Some of them are trying the "gravel yard xeriscape" concept but they seem unable to grasp that Dallas, TX is NOT in the middle of a desert. It is grassland, naturally, so when they put their beloved gravel yard in it takes about six months before the gravel is full of weeds, grass sprigs, and little trees growing up from the acorns and pecans. Unlike an ordinary grass yard where you just mow that little stuff off, with the gravel yard you've got to sit out there and pick 'em out one by one. Forever. Or, you do like these Gen Z and millennials do, and just leave it, so pretty soon it looks like crap. Honestly, kids, it would have been a heck of a lot easier to just buy a cheap lawnmower and run it over the yard every 2-3 weeks.

Or, more likely, pay someone to do it so it didn’t interrupt their ‘lifestyle’.

 

[Tonehole]

I have a SBA silver plate Bb and a YBS 62 and prefer the A. So reduced weight to throw it around. A perfect fit for my style of play.

While in University my room-mate was a bari player on scholarship from NY City.
We had a duo we sold as Duelling Bari's in local bars. My buddy said I played the SBA like it was a tenor which I took as an unintended complement. I can get around on that SBA Bari like it is a tenor and shred on it. He still uses a 120 RPC on his Conn and I still use my 130 Boat table Berg. We generated a very raucous performance on stage. I still have recordings somewhere.

In my late teens early 20's i would take it to open nights and throw down my Trane licks on it. Huge shock value.

I cherish that horn.