Sheet Music i'm a believer, Key and Chords

[Pete Thomas]

You offer a different view, self taught

I was totally self taught for quite along time (about 2 or 3 years), right up until I went to music college where I learned some things by being taught. Self teaching can be a great thing. Self teaching is basically what I teach people to do, it’s the best way.

I have difficulty explaing myself theoretically

Unless you know the theory, it’s probably better not to try to explain yourself theoretically, plain English will suffice.

For example I don’t think anyone knew what you meant by:

It was the F chord that fooooled me huh. Note C where did the G come from flattened 7th??

 

[eb424]

I was totally self taught for quite along time, right up until I went to music college where I learned some things by being taught. Self teaching can be a great thing. Self teaching is basically what I teach people to do, it’s the best way.

I guess for me it's not about being self taught or taught. It's about knowledge and experience.

Unless you know the theory, it’s probably better not to try to explain yourself theoretically, plain English will suffice.

For example I don’t think anyone knew what you meant by:

It was the F chord that fooooled me huh. Note C where did the G come from flattened 7th??

Succinctly I started this post as I was trying to play the instrumental, from the monkees "I'm a believer"
This has to be done by ear as the notes (or chords) were not on the sheet music. This was the key of G transposed to A.
I noticed that there was a G and C within the Instrumental and outro that wasn't in the Key signature.
This led to me asking re a change of key originally.
I now understand that chords are probably more important than the key sig.

I nowhave a direction to look into

I have also learnt "quote and reply" is easy on my laptop but not so much on my phone..Lol

 

[Pete Thomas]

I have also learnt "quote and reply" is easy on my laptop but not so much on my phone..Lol

Well not quite, you’ve quoted me as saying something you said. I’ll edit it when I get a minute.

 

[Targa]

The sooner this thread finishes the better.
Nothing to do with the discussions taking place but purely that seeing the title every morning gives me a damned ear worm for the rest of the day.

 

[eb424]

The sooner this thread finishes the better.
Nothing to do with the discussions taking place but purely that seeing the title every morning gives me a damned ear worm for the rest of the day.

Excellent then hopefully a good choiice for a reception...Lol
I was also going to do the famous " I know a song that will get on yours nerves"

 

[Pete Thomas]

The sooner this thread finishes the better.
Nothing to do with the discussions taking place but purely that seeing the title every morning gives me a damned ear worm for the rest of the day.

It’s a great track though, for me not so much the Monkees version but Neil Diamond version is great.

 

[turf3]

I was totally self taught for quite along time (about 2 or 3 years), right up until I went to music college where I learned some things by being taught. Self teaching can be a great thing. Self teaching is basically what I teach people to do, it’s the best way.
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In essence, playing a musical instrument is something you teach yourself in the practice room. Teachers guide you on what to practice and how, and they can show you how a change in a habit can get you better results. But (for example, an embouchure change) - you are the one responsible for learning how that change feels when you exercise it, and making the new way of doing it become second nature.

If we talk about reading musical notation, again, a teacher can help you to understand the notes of the staff and how rhythms are notated; but you, yourself, are responsible for actually reading sufficient material that the conversion from musical notation to sound output becomes second nature.

This is the way with all skills, whether it be high end mathematical analysis, or stretching a barb wire fence; you can learn verbally how it's supposed to be done, but you yourself are responsible for practicing it sufficiently that the operations become second nature.

 

[pgboyd]

The sooner this thread finishes the better.
Nothing to do with the discussions taking place but purely that seeing the title every morning gives me a damned ear worm for the rest of the day.

You can always go to the top of the thread and ignore. I’ve enjoyed this thread quite a bit.

 

[Dr G]

The sooner this thread finishes the better.
Nothing to do with the discussions taking place but purely that seeing the title every morning gives me a damned ear worm for the rest of the day.

@Targa Which is the version you hear in your head? I recall hearing the Monkees version from when I was a kid and watched their show on TV. More recently I’ve enjoyed the version on Shrek - likely where the couple that hired @eb424 heard it. Apologies to Neil Diamond as I had quite forgotten his version.

 

[turf3]

I listened to the Neil Diamond version yesterday, didn't even know he was the writer nor that he'd recorded it. Honestly it's about the same as the Monkees version structurally.

 

[eb424]

@Targa Which is the version you hear in your head? I recall hearing the Monkees version from when I was a kid and watched their show on TV. More recently I’ve enjoyed the version on Shrek - likely where the couple that hired @eb424 heard it. Apologies to Neil Diamond as I had quite forgotten his version.

I looked on you tube and the first neil Diamond rendetion I didn't enjoy but searched again and found a really nice version. Can we start the thread again with the Neil Diamond version?? P.S sorry for butting in I know I'm not targa...

 

[mizmar]

...seeing the title every morning gives me a damned ear worm for the rest of the day.

Every time I see the title my first thought is that Edi has developed a religious affinity to music theory...

 

[Dr G]

I looked on you tube and the first neil Diamond rendetion I didn't enjoy but searched again and found a really nice version. Can we start the thread again with the Neil Diamond version?? P.S sorry for butting in I know I'm not targa...

You don’t need to restart the thread - we’re still here. Please share the link to the Neil Diamond version that inspires you.

 

[Pete Thomas]

Can we start the thread again with the Neil Diamond version??

No point it’s the same or very similar (but better IMO)

 

[eb424]

No point it’s the same or very similar (but better IMO)

I was only kidding, wouldn't do that to anyone...hey song of the month..either version..

 

[lydian]

Your posted recording is a good start. You have plenty of time to sound more natural and musical.

I gave up convincing you to read a long time ago. Since all the tunes you play are familiar to begin with, your letter notes are sufficient.

My only regret reading this thread is that the subject tune has been a constant ear worm the past couple of days.

 

[eb424]

Your posted recording is a good start. You have plenty of time to sound more natural and musical.

I gave up convincing you to read a long time ago. Since all the tunes you play are familiar to begin with, your letter notes are sufficient.

My only regret reading this thread is that the subject tune has been a constant ear worm the past couple of days.

Sooo it should be great for a reception, a bit of fun..apologies to your ears..i have to read a bit..think im on chords now tho..take 2s better..5 weeks it will be ready..

 

[BUMNOTE]

Hi Eddie ,I don't think people give you hard times maybe sometimes how you ask a question how it is asked maybe causes confusion. I have been playing close to twenty years now,feel like I can find my round the sax,can read music play some tunes from memory have taken some grades but think maybe me a average player.What I do like you are not afraid to ask questions..if you don't ask..you don't get.There is loads of knowledge on this site.Good luck to ya.

 

[pgboyd]

There have been many covers of this song. We've mentioned the three top versions already. I didn't know that Neil Diamond wrote the song before doing a little bit of research. Interestingly, Neil recorded two versions - a peppy version similar to The Monkees version and a much slower version. I've listened to several versions and sax covers in the past few days since Eddie started the thread. Smash Mouth? Who knew. I'm planning on also working up a version of this for alto sax but not doing the typical vocal part - instead I'd like to do something similar to the backup vocals: "What's the use of trying?" - da da doo doo da doo. Playing the da da doo response. For those who can hear the song in their heads already you probably know what I'm talking about 😉

In a related note, if you haven't already seen Song Sung Blue - the movie about the Neil Diamond cover band - it is really a good watch.

 

[eb424]

Hi Eddie ,I don't think people give you hard times maybe sometimes how you ask a question how it is asked maybe causes confusion.

I'd agree with the question part but sometimes i don't know what I'm asking. Lol. I don't think I've said people give me a hard time.