@jcn664 yes I am familiar with the Apogèe system. This was available in C Tenor by special order.
Sir while I appreciate your enthusiasm for vintage saxes...there are times you claim things based upon your somewhat limited experience.You're very wrong, vintage curved soprano With High F is rare, maybe you could find one buescher or conn, but
sorry, i used translate and never, you have precision about in you first commentary and i missed to see that your precision, i didn't see, after a second reading, i understand more,Sir while I appreciate your enthusiasm for vintage saxes...there are times you claim things based upon your somewhat limited experience.
First off, if you re-read my post, I noted very specifically a year range/era where high F became the NORM.
Secondly, before choosing to claim my statement as "very wrong"...it may have been wiser to do 10 mins of internet research looking at curvies from the date period I mentioned in order to see if they had high F's or not.
Had you done such things, again instead of relying upon whatever narrower understanding you had of this, you would have seen that in fact, my statement was quite accurate.
It was a simple as gong to a few websites which have a good index of sax photos referenced by manufacturer and vintage/year (Saxpics for example).
Instead, you did not bother and ended up posting erroneous information which I chose to correct - if not for the sake of helping you out, at least for the sake of posterity...
....so readers who would come along this thread would not walk away with the notion that "vintage curved sopranos were rarely keyed to high F".
1923:1924 transitionnal periode with two models existssorry, i used translate and never, you have precision about in you first commentary and i missed to see that your precision, i didn't see, after a second reading, i understand more,
Me i think you say old curved vintage before 1925, you talked about curved begin really around 1924/1925 and after.
But little wrong for High F, the curved soprano with high F begin more 1925/1926, (i don't say it hasn't before, just majority)
and it has the two modele with high F and without high F, my perfect curved lyons and healy hasn't high F made during approximatively 1925-1926.
And the high F was essentially in option for Luxe and high-end product, i don't know for usa market, but it was the function of european brand : for exemple couesnon used the double octave keys until 1934/1935 for this low cost horn, and many maker did this (for france) usa, i don't know.
and i'm not agree with you, not anachronisms, i don't like this word, because it hasn't very sense in French, sorry, but i'm french guy, and that is just cultural, in french we used anachronism majority for error in film or artistic work for exemple to have new franc in france during 1950 (it was old franc not new franc, we say it's anachronism) in france, the word anachronism is majority assimilated at temporal anomaly and majority used for the domain of arts,
but it's interessant to see that difference of langage of different country, it's really cool
I understand that you what you mean, don't worry, but i'm will say more, it's obsolete.
After that, yes i'm okay with you, curved or soprano with low Bb and only high Eb is obsolete but it's interessant for the history, you can see reallly the evolution between generation at generation, and the breakpoint between the begin of curved soprano with high F and the total popularity with high F,
but for me, i'm disagree with you 1922-1923 not really, so early for high F (in majority), they're transitional period between, for me it's really more around 1925 (for the breaking point and the tipping when the high F was automaticaly on soprano)
i'm confused by the word anachronism, sorrySir while I appreciate your enthusiasm for vintage saxes...there are times you claim things based upon your somewhat limited experience.
First off, if you re-read my post, I noted very specifically a year range/era where high F became the NORM.
Secondly, before choosing to claim my statement as "very wrong"...it may have been wiser to do 10 mins of internet research looking at curvies from the date period I mentioned in order to see if they had high F's or not.
Had you done such things, again instead of relying upon whatever narrower understanding you had of this, you would have seen that in fact, my statement was quite accurate.
It was a simple as gong to a few websites which have a good index of sax photos referenced by manufacturer and vintage/year (Saxpics for example).
Instead, you did not bother and ended up posting erroneous information which I chose to correct - if not for the sake of helping you out, at least for the sake of posterity...
....so readers who would come along this thread would not walk away with the notion that "vintage curved sopranos were rarely keyed to high F".
No need to apologize. It means "out of date" ....commonly translated as "too old".i'm confused by the word anachronism, sorry
Not worry, We used more obsolete for too old,No need to apologize. It means "out of date" ....commonly translated as "too old".
Many players feel that a sax which is not keyed up to High F is of no use to the player. Many players feel that a sax with NO front F key on the upper stack is a problem.
Things like that.
I know some soprano players who play older Sopranos with no high F, just to high Eb. But I also sell saxes, and I can never sell a soprano like that. Nobody really wants one.
I can occasionally sell a sax with no Front F, however....particularly a vintage Soprano with no front F, as long as it has a high F.
Obsolete is not quite the same thing. I may well be wrong but I thought an anachronism is something from a different era, e.g. it is out of place whereas obsolete is more about something whose use is no longer required due to (e.g.) advances in technology (less to do with fashion) but could still be in the same era. A subtle difference. And maybe sometimes they overlap.Not worry, We used more obsolete for too old,
