Saxophones How will Tariffs affect Sax Prices?

[MarkSax]

Play and maintain the saxs we allready have. When you buy new saxes buy saxes from countries like France, Germany, Italy, Chezchia, Denmark and Switzerland. We still have some saxophone manufacturing in Europe.

If we want a change, music is a game chang

Which sax brands from Czech Republic and Denmark are you referring to?

 

[thomsax]

Which sax brands from Czech Republic and Denmark are you referring to?

Amati and Peter Jessen (very small production but still..... .

 

[Woodpad]

I am not familiar with the abbreviation, "SSO"

Saxophone shaped objects

 

[Woodpad]

Price of the jbs 1000 went down 443 euro.

 

[jonf]

Price of the jbs 1000 went down 443 euro.

Where?

 

[mizmar]

Price of the jbs 1000 went down 443 euro.

... down by €442? roughly 10%?
The € has strengthened by about 6% against the ¥ so far - so things from China should get a bit cheaper in Europe. Add to that having to shift sales away from the US...

 

[Colin the Bear]

I sense a business opportunity. Import from China and export to USA. 🤔

 

[jonf]

I sense a business opportunity. Import from China and export to USA. 🤔

Nope, country of origin again.

 

[Ghr9204]

I hope that any exporting to US be done in a forthright and honest manner, not for example,

https://cafesaxophone.com/threads/mk-vi.34916/#post-544325

Fake! MK VI?

 

[Dr G]

I hope that any exporting to US be done in a forthright and honest manner, not for example,

https://cafesaxophone.com/threads/mk-vi.34916/#post-544325

Fake! MK VI?

Yeah, that’s it. Tariffs are sure to make the counterfeiters stop making fake horns. (Not)

Do you know how many shipping containers come to the US ports on any day? Do you really think that the premier customs challenges are looking for fake horns?

 

[Woodpad]

Where?

Thomann nl also the main site.

 

[Pete Thomas]

Do you really think that the premier customs challenges are looking for fake horns?

They will be looking at paperwork I imagine most fake horns even if they have legit invoices are going to be max $100 each but sell as a "real" Yanagisawafor at least $699 so even an extra $100 tariff on import value barely dents the mark up, or else it's just accounted for in a negligible retail price increase from $699 to $799.

 

[mizmar]

Do you really think that the premier customs challenges are looking for fake horns?

Yeah, you can just imagine:

Captain: "right people. Today we are expecting 10,000 containers containing drugs, a few hundred people smuggling, some ivory and there's meant to be one with counterfeit music instruments... So, yeah, let's get out there and find those fake saxophones!"

 

[Jimmymack]

I thought that was the main reason for all of this.

 

[Ghr9204]

Yeah, you can just imagine:
Captain: "right people. Today we are expecting 10,000 containers containing drugs, a few hundred people smuggling, some ivory and there's meant to be one with counterfeit music instruments... So, yeah, let's get out there and find those fake saxophones!"

IMO, most inspections are discovered by "accident" (BTDT in facilities and construction admin). You are looking for clues, because usually the magnitude of the work at hand is so great, that you can't possibly inspect everything due to lack of manpower and resources.

Regarding accidental finds

, some time back my next door neighbor was a New Mexico highway patrolman. A car with an enclosed rental trailer was passing through Gallup, New Mexico at over the speed limit. (Expressway through town has speed limit reduced from 75 MPH (123 KPH) to 65 MPH (107 KPH) and at times, lower than that.)

A highway patrolman pulled the speeder to the side of the highway. Looking at his papers, the car was rented in another person's name along with the trailer (Hint #1). Police dog gets very excited around the trailer (Hint #2). Phone call to district attorney's office results in a search warrant shortly after.

Trailer had a couple million quid of illegal recreational drug material. (Was 30 years ago - it was cocaine, heroine, etc.). My police neighbor called it "cosmic justice".

Sometimes a mental jump to conclusions gets kindly corrected if one has some patience, so let things ride and relax.

Scenario: Customs asks for paperwork, agents do spot checking here and there. Something doesn't seem right, so does a little more digging - Bingo! Or, a truck has been detained for an over-the-road infraction, then inspector notices something does not appear correct. The sax looks similar to that Chinese one that his son is playing for band practise.

Yet, its markings claims to be Selmer saxophone vintage remake in US with country of origin stamped as US and lists various copywrites, but looks similar to his son's inexpensive one, not like the ones he remembered whilst playing in high school band. Calls back to the office.

Detective makes a few phone calls to local music stores, showing pictures, is tipped off to its fakery. Then does some more digging and traces it back to the shipping company and shipper at the other end, which ends up blacklisting the shipper / manufacturer from shipping to the US again, plus punitive damages to the receiving end in US.

Maybe I should be a movie script writer.

 

[Woodpad]

If you enter the US with a recent saxophone and you don't have a proof of origin how will customs react?

a: clearly a chineese saxophone, the tariff is 145%
b: that one is made in Vietnam, the tariff is 10%
c: That looks Asian, but our ai can't recognize it, so we take it in for further research.

 

[Ghr9204]

AFAIK my saxes and clarinets have stamped on them country of origin (China, Taiwan, Japan. England, France, U.S.A., etc.) These include my most recent buys new and used.

• Venus sop. - "China"
• Mendini alto - "China"
• Selmer Bundy II alto - "USA"
• Beaugnier Vito Bari - "France"
• Antigua Winds alto - "Taiwan"
• Boosey & Hawkes Bb clarinet - "England"
• And etc.

 

[Pete Thomas]

then inspector notices something does not appear correct. The sax looks similar to that Chinese one that his son is playing for band practise.

Probably all saxophones look the same to any customs of law enforcement official

c: That looks Asian, but our ai can't recognize it, so we take it in for further research

I think you have to put a country of origin on customs form. But of course customs won’t have any idea whether a saxophone “looks Asian”

 

[mizmar]

Am I the only one who thinks any high value (or apparently high value) object taken through customs in almost any country should have a proof of purchase, surely?
Remember, customs officers like to pick someone to investigate in order to wind up other passengers - so if you are carrying a wired looking case or something wired showed up in the scanners and are at the front... Be prepared.
And if you are in the green lane returning home with a valuable object purchased abroad... Be prepared to contribute to Customs monthly bonus programme.

Nothing to do with tariffs - until you give Customs an opportunity to get heavy.

 

[thomsax]

Probably all saxophones look the same to any customs of law enforcement official

I think you have to put a country of origin on customs form. But of course customs won’t have any idea whether a saxophone “looks Asian”

Probably all saxophones look the same to any customs of law enforcement official

" .... saxes like this and overhouled with good material as well use to be be sold for more than XXXXX" said the guy at the Swedish custom. He knew that an overhauled Martin Handcraft (Committee) used to sell for higher prices. Many phone calls and letters before ok. Some weeks before I have bought 6 saxes from the seller. Saxes and freight paid in advance when UPS collected them. Got a fax (before internet) from the seller that the saxes were on their way to Sweden. I was sleeping when the fax came. Some days later I discoved that the swller had charged my card with $ 400.00 instead of $ 4000.00 and I asked him to charge my card again. He thanked me and wrote back that he was never going to forget. That's how I could buy a good saxes to a low price.

So to be honest can cost you more. And there are guys at the custom that know and play sax. A nice guy and we talked about saxes and Rock & Roll Saxophone.