Forget Pete Thomas saxplayer as drummer. Maybe he is a drummer????????Chris Potter played the Drums on his last album. In fact, he played all the instruments.
Pete Thomas is one of the greatest drummers in Pop/Rock. Come to think of it, I've never seen Pete Thomas in the same room as Pete Thomas?
A tazer device or maybe some beer cans (full) thrown at the drummer may be effective..We all experience this and I did so again last week. It seems to be commonplace that drummers will play loud unless it’s a ballad and even then there’s no guarantee. I spent a long time looking for louder mouthpieces but the one I have is as loud as I want. This particular guy I’ve played with several times and called him out on it but he just gets offended, as drummers seem to, this last time it was the first opportunity I’ve had in over a year and I told myself that he probably wasn’t as bad as I thought. I was wrong. Halfway through the session he said “you know, I think I’ve lost half of my hearing” which he blamed on having spent years next to bass amps. Then he went back to knocking the living excrement out of his kit.
Is it just me, because if I’m spending my energies on blasting the horn so I can hear myself I can’t play, certainly not with any imagination? How do you manage in these situations beyond making the best of it and leaving unhappy? Maybe I’m just being too precious but I think it’s bad musicianship and I’d be interested in your take and experiences.
That reminds me of a wonderful line from the TV series Frasier- "If less is more then just think how much more more is going to be!"To determine whether playing less loud is in the realm of possibilities, consider raising the question during rehearsal of “Could we try to use a wider range of dynamics on this song? How ‘bout we try to play less loud here so it can seem louder there?”
Interesting, I’ll look him out. As for the drummer in question I think he’s too far gone.A subtle (and insidious! ha!) method of raising your drummer's awareness of his volume would be to give him a few CDs featuring drummer, Jon Christensen. He's especially brilliant on all of Jan Garbarek and Ketil Bjørnstad's recordings.
As one writer noted, "Christensen’s approach to his chosen instrument was akin to a tai-chi master, the smallest amount of movement being used to maximum effect. His gestures behind the kit seemed slight, but through them, Christensen was able to draw out powerful rhythms and expressive shuffles."
Christensen completely changed my understanding of how lyrically a drummer can play.
On one of Frank Sinatra’s famous live recordings one of the horn players was repeatedly over-raucous. He said into the mic “You want to go outside and we’ll sort this out?”. It did shut him up.I’ve heard of singers doing that, I think it was Ella Fitzgerald, I’m not sure I have the same clout but I have considered it. Of course I wouldn’t be able to hear myself at all so maybe miming is the answer.
Ear protection would help to protect my ears but as I can only hear myself when I blast the horn I wouldn't hear anything much then and when I'm playing the horn that hard any musicality I might have is for the birds. More distance would help, I'm thinking 20 metres, preferably 50. I think I just need to not play with him.I still think it's the cymbals that is the problem if you play in smaller places/stages. Maybe you stand 1-2 m from the cymbals. No monitor or "in-ear" ... ? Some kind of ear protection is good. What do you hear as horn player? On a bigger stage/place is no problem because they have good PA's. Here is a short clip recorded with a Zoom just in front of the saxes. It all came out good and the cymbals sounds good but .....
I think I just need to not play with him.
Sometimes, maybe....to me, it really depends on the guilty drummer. Quiet a few times I have played with drummers who were pretty tasty on the cymbals, it was just their assault on the snare drum which became eventually too offensive to continue allowing to go on.I still think it's the cymbals that is the problem if you play in smaller places/stages.