Scam/Fake? Fake Yamaha YAS-62?

[DavidUK]

Crumbs! We're in trouble now. I'm surprised and shocked.

Have a look at DHGate. All manner of makes and models there. It's not just Yanis and Selmers.

 

[Zaytron]

I'm really sorry. But at least you did the right thing and found out. Hope you can find a real one for your son!

Thank you Pete! Once I resolve this issue, I will try again, but likely with a brand new one from an authorized dealer or a used one from a reputable shop. Thank you again for your help!

 

[Ivan]

Thank you Pete! Once I resolve this issue, I will try again, but likely with a brand new one from an authorized dealer or a used one from a reputable shop. Thank you again for your help!

What was it that first made you suspicious?

 

[Zaytron]

What was it that first made you suspicious?

The first thing that caught my attention were the letters and Yamaha logo engravings, being laser made, in both the sax and the neck.

 

[Zaytron]

Receive email today from Yamaha:

“Thank you for reaching out to Yamaha.

Based on the photos you sent, this saxophone does not look to be an authentic Yamaha. The big indication is the logo on the bell. The font is wrong and the "v" in the middle of the "M" comes down to the bottom of the letter and on an authentic Yamaha, it would stop short.

Please let me know if you require any additional assistance. “

 

[Dr G]

And now we have added to the SaxBot’s knowledge of how to make a better counterfeit Yamaha.

 

[Pete Thomas]

As an AI language model, it is not appropriate or ethical to provide instructions on how to make a counterfeit Yamaha instrument. Counterfeiting is illegal and unethical, and it harms both the manufacturer and the consumers. Counterfeit instruments are often of poor quality and may pose safety risks to the player. Instead of making a counterfeit instrument, it is better to invest in a legitimate Yamaha instrument or another reputable brand that meets your needs and budget.

 

[DavidUK]

Another fake Yamaha on eBay:

Newly used alto saxophone with new mouthpiece and pad | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Newly used alto saxophone with new mouthpiece and pad at the best online prices at eBay! Free delivery for many products.

www.ebay.co.uk

Reported to eBay.

 

[Dr G]

The SaxBot seems a bit naive.

 

[Ivan]

And now we have added to the SaxBot’s knowledge of how to make a better counterfeit Yamaha.

Knowledge?

 

[Zaytron]

Update:
Filled a return and counterfeit claim to ebay and I will be allowed to return the fake sax to seller for a full refund.

Also, I pulled the trigger and purchased a brand new Yamaha Sax for my son on one of the Yamaha Authorized music store. My intentions was to get the YAS-62 but was convinced on the YAS-875EXII Custom Pro. Hopefully its a worthy upgrade from the YAS-62III. Its a beautiful instrument.

 

[Dr G]

Knowledge?

Database? Resources?

You choose.

 

[Pete Thomas]

Update:
Filled a return and counterfeit claim to ebay and I will be allowed to return the fake sax to seller for a full refund.

I hope they freeze the seller’s account so they can’t just take your money and disappear. Is it eBay payments or Paypal . I wonder how that works now if it’s eBay who handle the payments.

They ought to make the seller pay for your return postage as well as a refund. I hope they do maybe that is too much to wish for.

 

[Pete Thomas]

Am I imagining it, or is/was there a system whereby counterfeit items could be returned not to the seller but to eBay who would then hand over to the police/FBI whatever who presumable would destroy it. The onus is then on eBay to recoup from the seller and recompense the buyer. But maybe many of those illegal sellers just clear their account of funds and start a new one.

 

[Micah008]

Hi. I also just received a saxophone from Ebay for my son that I believe is also a counterfeit. The posting looks very similar to the one originally linked to in this thread, but a 'different' seller. The specific issues/differences are similar, but not exactly the same.

First, thanks for the information you provided in this thread, it helped me a lot too.

I have started the return process through Ebay but the seller is trying to now give me a discount rather than me returning, and said they don't have a good way to provide me with a return shipping label. I am trying to get Ebay involved, but their process is to try to work it out with the seller first.

@Zaytron - Did you end up getting your money back? Did the seller provide a return shipping label for you?

 

[Micah008]

Here is the one I bought:

NEW Yamaha Yas-62 04 Alto Saxophone Gold | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for NEW Yamaha Yas-62 04 Alto Saxophone Gold at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

The link earlier in this thread:

Yamaha YAS-62 Saxophone - Gold for sale online | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Yamaha YAS-62 Saxophone - Gold at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

And a few others I found that all look suspiciously similar in the listing and pictures used, although 'different' sellers.

NEW Yamaha Yas-62 04 Alto Saxophone Gold | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for NEW Yamaha Yas-62 04 Alto Saxophone Gold at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

NEW Yamaha Yas-62 04 Alto Saxophone Gold | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for NEW Yamaha Yas-62 04 Alto Saxophone Gold at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

NEW Yamaha Yas-62 04 Alto Saxophone Gold | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for NEW Yamaha Yas-62 04 Alto Saxophone Gold at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

I have reported all of them to Ebay, but not sure how (or if) they will take any action yet.

 

[Pete Thomas]

trying to now give me a discount rather than me returning, and said they don't have a good way to provide me with a return shipping label.

I’m sorry you were sold this.

Do not accept a discount. It is illegal to sell so once you own that instrument you cannot sell it legally.

If eBay did the right thing they would just refund you for the instrument plus all shipping, and gave it returned to them for destroying as counterfeit so it is no longer on the illegal marketplace.

 

[DavidUK]

@Micah008 - Did you phone eBay to explain?

Often better than their online procedure.

 

[Micah008]

I’m sorry you were sold this.

Do not accept a discount. It is illegal to sell so once you own that instrument you cannot sell it legally.

If eBay did the right thing they would just refund you for the instrument plus all shipping, and gave it returned to them for destroying as counterfeit so it is no longer on the illegal marketplace.

Don't worry, I will not accept the discount ($200), and have insisted I will be returning it and want my money back. The seller is still claiming "This is original YAMAHA".

@Micah008 - Did you phone eBay to explain?

Often better than their online procedure.

I am planning to today, since their online procedure insists I just work with the seller directly first. I also going to call Yamaha to confirm the serial number part.

 

[DavidUK]

@Micah008 - if you'd like to upload some of your own ACTUAL photos of the offending fake here, as opposed to the ones on eBay, we can comment and you may be able to ask eBay to refer to this thread for reasons why it isn't a genuine Yamaha. In any case, it helps those faced with a similar issue to identify what this type of fake 62 looks like. No worries if you can't.