Scam/Fake? David's... ehem... unusual finds... Very rare Selmer? - £4,000

[DavidUK]

Never seen one of these. What beautiful engraving...

Pics & ad here (perhaps briefly):

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Brand new too!

...and came from WalMart ELKMART

Who has one of these?

I'm very tempted. Gold wash bell an'all.

 

[greenstripe]

So rare that even Selmer didn't know that they made this model! 😉

 

[DavidUK]

Seller sent:

 

[jonf]

Elkmart, excellent. And it has my two favourite advert features. On a stand back to front and the mouthpiece upside down. And the cheapo mute is an added bonus.

What's happened to the 'Q' in 'FABRIQUE' as well? Selmer has also become Sea Salt thanks to the gap.

 

[DavidUK]

"Professional mouth piece" too...

 

[DavidUK]

"It's a lovely example but much better than that when I bought the owner of shop is Professional sax player and he played it for me. Has such a crisp sharp precise sound. Of course he was a Professional not like me.
I actually bought it when I was in Germany."

Scammer or unaware? He won't tell me the model, or if he has the receipt.

 

[DavidUK]

Bought from (allegedly):

Ludwig Frank & Frank Meyer Meisterhafte Holzblasinstrumente Berlin, Deutschland

Experts for your woodwind instruments | Frank & Meyer Berlin

On 300 sqm we present oboes, bassoons, clarinets, saxophones, flutes of international brands as well as well-kept second-hand instruments and extensive accessories.

frankundmeyer.de

 

[DavidUK]

Ad's gone. Someone's reported it no doubt.

 

[Colin the Bear]

I did.

 

[greenstripe]

Advert still working for me. Not sure it's worth reporting ads to Facebook, they simply can't be bothered unless the police get involved 🙁

 

[DavidUK]

Yep, back again. Must have been a glitch.

 

[Jimmymack]

Elkmart, excellent. And it has my two favourite advert features. On a stand back to front and the mouthpiece upside down. And the cheapo mute is an added bonus.

What's happened to the 'Q' in 'FABRIQUE' as well? Selmer has also become Sea Salt thanks to the gap.

He does say that he's too weak to play it so he probably didn't have the strength to turn the mouthpiece round, knowing you'd understand.

 

[SaxBoss]

Do you get free white gloves??

 

[Clivey]

I was actually looking for the other "counterfeit goods" thread but it has disappeared.

The example discussed here is exactly the same as on the other thread as far as I can see. A criminal act being called out? but I suppose the real topic under discussion is the counterfeit industry and why it is flourishing.

Are human beings inherently dishonest and self-serving and are morals and ethics a construct of the privileged and wealthier segments of humanity.

View: https://youtu.be/eswQl-hcvU0

 

[GCinCT]

Are human beings inherently dishonest and self-serving and are morals and ethics a construct of the privileged and wealthier segments of humanity.

Many of the least moral and least ethical people come from the privileged and wealthier segments, at least here in the U.S. It's how many of them get wealthy in the first place.

 

[Clivey]

Many of the least moral and least ethical people come from the privileged and wealthier segments, at least here in the U.S. It's how many of them get wealthy in the first place.

Yep I get that. To add. Perhaps the morals and ethics, laws etc are then employed to ensure they hold on to their stash.

Stuff . property,status, position, reputation, family, blah, appear to be what many people use to define themselves in the 21st century .

I ponder over this quite a bit.

Less than a lifetime ago when many of of the jazz and blues legends were playing all over the US and Europe .Folks just like me and the others here often did without shoes. They still do in the so called emerging countries .

I doubt I could ever refuse or disagree with them wearing a pair of counterfeit sports shoes.

 

[Fraser Jarvis]

Love the mouthpiece I really must get one of those!!

 

[Steve Marshall]

Anyone trying to sell these above the price they are new is clearly a scammer.
It's a bit of an issue when repairers get these things. Should we touch them or send them away?
I hate that nothing seems to be done about the mass counterfeiting in China. Surely we could use some of our buying clout to put pressure on them to clamp down on this all too common practise? It's got to the stage where they are copying mouthpieces. They can be much harder to spot with pretty good copies of Vandorens - in plastic. That's the give away, but it's hard to tell from photos. The main giveaway is the price - but with people like this asking stupid prices it can get harder.

 

[saxyjt]

I find it ridiculous to go to such length and fail so miserably. This obviously comes from a region of the world that has not knowledge of the french language.

Can anyone be so stupid to fall for this scam?

 

[Pete Thomas]

I was actually looking for the other "counterfeit goods" thread but it has disappeared.

We have loads of those and it's currently on my todo list to merge them into one master counterfeit thread which I think will be more useful, so keep an eye out.