Saxophone reviews Chinese Sops from Gear4music Soprano Saxophone Review

Yep, one that had £130 of work done in January too ! ....... someone has just bought a fantastic bargain of a horn , it took a lovely nick Pruple 62 with action fine tuned to perfection to wrench that horn from my grip ...

I`d say that It`d take a nice SA80 Mk1 for me to lose the Sakkusu Tick but a Step may also if it has the SA80 on steroids sound which its reputation alludes to .
 
Daveysaxboy sold me the Step as I mentioned previously. He knew the difference between his top of the range horns and was very complimentary about the Step. It also came in a Hiscox case which was a bonus
 
Daveysaxboy sold me the Step as I mentioned previously. He knew the difference between his top of the range horns and was very complimentary about the Step. It also came in a Hiscox case which was a bonus

Davey never really knew what he wanted from an alto , he`s stayed with the Elkhart Deluxe, same for sop but he really only plays Tenor seriously and certainly for his job.
I was like this for most of the year after adding alto but have been enjoying it more and more , so upgraded the Rat - I still only gig tenor though - so far 😉
 
I have just looked at minimum wages in various countries. Here are a few, in US dollars, which is how it is listed on Wikipedia:

Australia $17.39 July 2014
Luxembourg $14.42 Oct 2013
Netherlands $10.99 Jan 2014
Ireland $11.09 July 2011
UK $10.32 Oct 2014
Canada $10.00 Sept 2014
Japan $8.32 Nov 2013
USA $7.25 July 2009 (but some states have no minimum wage.)

Taiwan $3.38 Jan 2014
China $1.19 Jan 2013

(Italy has no national rate, minimum wages set sector by sector by collective bargaining, while in Germany a handful of trades have national rates, the rest sector by sector by collective bargaining. It is difficult to know where to put these in the list. 'Average income' would include millionaires and can't be compared with minimum wages anyway. Probably best to assume that production line instrument makers would be somewhere in the region of UK wages?)

it is clear that China's minimum wage is barely more than a third of that of Taiwan; slightly under one sixth that of the USA; almost exactly one seventh that of Japan; and almost one ninth of that of the UK.

I don't have any figures to produce a materials bill of costs for a saxophone (I'd guess that all components are manufactured from raw materials in China and not bought in from another country) but I'd guess that the biggest cost might be the brass. Brass sheet in the USA costs just over $3.50 FOB per lb. So less than $20 for the brass for a tenor sax (?) .... the same again for material cost of springs, pads etc is surely generous...

So total material cost to a volume manufacturer is probably $40 - or less - for a tenor sax.

All we need now is an idea of person hours needed to make a tenor sax and that would give us the manufacturers' costs per country. Any offers?

Whether Taiwan and Japan will continue to manufacture I have no idea. Politically, of course, they both have an incentive to try to continue... 1:3 and 1: 7 ratios of labour costs are very daunting obstacles.

The above figures do not include taxation, health or other costs in the various countries... China, again,
will no doubt have a massive advantage. Business rates in the UK are crippling... China probably pays businesses on floor space rather than tax them in order to boost exports and foreign earnings...

Profit margins of importers and retailers are likewise not taken into account. There is liable to be a large variation from country to country and within countries. Shipping, also, is not given. How many saxes fit in a container?

The figures above are enough to show why Chinese saxophones are so very, very inexpensive. Before Suzuki and Honda motorcycles took the world by storm just over fifty years ago (my school friends talked of little else...) Japanese products were sneered at in the west as being cheap, inferior copies...

There is simply no need to assume cost cutting on materials or labour or have poor quality control. This last is always the last to be tuned by a manufacturer, as it depends on tuning production techniques and building a skilled and motivated labour force. But Chinese manufacturers are reputed to have plenty of savvy - why not spend two or three dollars more and make sure the product is an acceptabe quality - or even exceptional quality - see Stephen Howard's G4M 'vintage' alto sax review... They seem to be working on this incrementally...

I would strongly suspect that quality will continue to increase and China will be the main producer of saxophones, which may in some cases however be assembled/finished/regulated elsewhere by firms aiming at the 'hand finished' 'high quality control' sector of the market. Indeed this is already happening.

Nothing stays static in economics. Eventually China's labour costs will rise to approach those of its nearest competitors - but that might not happen for decades.
 
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Not to be contentious but a Stephanhouser alto I can buy from eBay in the USA for £350ish. They are great horns! £580 is about $800 and I have pals in teh USA who have bought cheap horns for less than that who are happy. Are you talking about a premium intermediate horn or an entry level?
I checked the Stephanhouser brand and these are a few distributors over here selling the ZAS500 for around $780 (£485) which is almost 4 times the price of the lowest priced Ebay Chinese saxes with a pair of white gloves and free shipping.
 
jbt - I agree with you! There are some very good Chinese and Korean horn manufacturers. The The Stephanhouser retailers appear to be trying to squeeze a large margin out of "new old stock". I believe that Step went bust as did Gemstone - their disti - and subsequent owner. Here are a couple of emails from Dillons in New Jersey after a couple of enquiries from myself................

Hi James,

your email was forwarded to me. The Stephanhouser saxophones are manufactured in Germany. Please let me know if you have any questions.

With regards,
Damian CremisioWoodwind Sales, Dillon Music
_______________________________________________________

After I questioned that response................

Hello James,

Upon further investigation, I found out the Stephanhauser saxophones were manufactured in Germany but now are made in China. Please let me know if you have further questions.
_________________________________________________

Which is total nonsense! Quite sad getting this response from what appears a reputable dealer.

 
Kernewegor thank you for that very informative post. I had no idea the minimum wage in the U.S. was so low compared to other countries. It's no wonder the gap between the rich and the "working poor" is increasing at such a rate in my country.

There is one very important cost factor that was not included in your figures, and that is the cost of machining to make all of the separate keys as well as guards, bodys, bells, bows, and necks. The assembling of the saxophone is done by hand, but the actual manufacturing of the parts is done by machine. The initial cost is enormous, not to mention the maintenance.

This is an example of one of the $200 Chinese saxophones including free shipping that have been flooding the U.S. market, and finding their way into school band rooms of beginning students.
 
Some look great and play awful. I tried a purple Startone alto in cash generators. I thought it was cheap because of the colour, which didn't bother me. It was almost new. The action was sloppy and rattled, the intonation was all over the place. All the palm keys played the same note. Nice case.
 

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