Saxophones What horns is your dream ??

[jcn664]

A single dream horn is more of a collectors/owners thing. I wouldn't want to own anything that I was scared of taking on the bandstand.

I like to play.

Mechanisms wear out and finishes develop scratches and wear patterns. A dream horn can become very used, very quickly.

Having said that I'm very curious about a yani A-991. 🤔

I would like conn o sax to developped the true potential of this instrument, like that conn f mezzo soprano had really great potential not just for collector item

 

[PigSquealer]

Rudy Weidoeft’s silver C Melody Selmer.

Whereabouts unknown. Until I found and posted this 1927 article, this had been long forgotten.
What would I do with this? It’s a museum item. A grouping of Rudy and related items could be a traveling exhibit.

 

[jcn664]

Whereabouts unknown. Until I found and posted this 1927 article, this had been long forgotten.
What would I do with this? It’s a museum item. A grouping of Rudy and related items could be a traveling exhibit.
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When you say you dream to have rudy wiedoft c melody silver plated horn, we talk rudy wiedoft stencils horn, or not, because rudy wiedoft c melody horn are common,

It existed rudy wiedoft in stencils name
But for me you don't talk about this, i ask because it could confused

 

[PigSquealer]

When you say you dream to have rudy wiedoft c melody silver plated horn, we talk rudy wiedoft stencils horn, or not, because rudy wiedoft c melody horn are common,

It existed rudy wiedoft in stencils name
But for me you don't talk about this, i ask because it could confused

Get the article translated and you will understand more. The saxophone in conversation is one of one.

 

[jcn664]

Get the article translated and you will understand more. The saxophone in conversation is one of one.

Yes i understood, but i would liked to have this precision for the People who don't understand, but nevermind,

I know what you mean, it's similar of ladario models but it's later than this models, if my remember is correct the selmer silver plated rudy widoeft is during 1922 and ladario during 1926.

 

[Ghr9204]

@jcn664 , pour votre information:

Whereabouts unknown. Until I found and posted this 1927 article, this had been long forgotten.
What would I do with this? It’s a museum item. A grouping of Rudy and related items could be a traveling exhibit.

Article:

Selmer Silver Saxophone Purchased by Wiedoeft​

Solid Coin Silver Instrument Being Used by Noted Saxophonist on Vaudeville Tour​

Elkhart, Ind., March 14.[1927] - What is claimed to be the highest-priced saxophone ever made was delivered recently to the highest-salaried saxophonist in the world, when Rudy Wiedoeft purchased from H. & A. Selmer, Inc., a solid coin silver Selmer saxophone. Wiedoeft is now using his instrument on an extensive vaudeville tour.​

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The story behind Wiedoeft's purchase of the instrument is an interesting one. Last September he was in France and spent some time at the Selmer factory in company with George M. Bundy, president of the American house of Selmer. Rudy was shown some solid silver mouthpieces for saxophones being made up for special orders and he asked why a saxophone of solid silver could not be made.​

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The answer was that it was feared that with coin silver it would be difficult to draw the tone holes without breaking. The Selmer officials were so delighted with Rudy's playing, however, that they set about making the instrument.​

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Earlier this year the instrument was completed and arrived in New York and Rudy and a number of prominent saxophonists, including Chester Hazlitt, of Paul Whiteman's Orchestra; Arnold Brillhart, of Roger Kahn's Orchestra, and George Napoleon, formerly with Lopez, met and made a thorough comparison with six brass alto saxophones, including a Selmer.​

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The result was that the silver instrument was picked out time and again for its tone by listeners some distance away, who could not see which instrument was being played. It was also observed that it was practically impossible to overblow the instrument and that when making a crescendo to the fullest FF there was no buzz or edge on it.​

Traduction en français par Yandex:

Saxophone Selmer en Argent acheté par Wiedoeft​

Instrument en Argent Massif Utilisé par un Saxophoniste Renommé lors d'une Tournée de Vaudeville​

Elkhart, Ind., 14 Mars.[1927] - Ce qui est prétendu être le saxophone le plus cher jamais fabriqué a été livré récemment au saxophoniste le mieux rémunéré au monde, lorsque Rudy Wiedoeft a acheté à H. & A. Selmer, Inc., un saxophone Selmer en argent massif. Wiedoeft utilise maintenant son instrument lors d'une vaste tournée de vaudeville.​

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L'histoire derrière l'achat de l'instrument par Wiedoeft est intéressante. En septembre dernier, il était en France et a passé quelque temps à l'usine de Selmer en compagnie de George M. Bundy, président de la maison américaine de Selmer. Rudy a vu des embouchures en argent massif pour saxophones être fabriquées pour des commandes spéciales et il a demandé pourquoi un saxophone en argent massif ne pouvait pas être fabriqué.​

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La réponse était qu'on craignait qu'avec de l'argent de monnaie, il soit difficile de dessiner les trous de tonalité sans se casser. Les officiels de Selmer étaient tellement ravis du jeu de Rudy, cependant, qu'ils se sont mis à fabriquer l'instrument.​

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Plus tôt cette année, l'instrument a été achevé et est arrivé à New York et Rudy et un certain nombre d'éminents saxophonistes, dont Chester Hazlitt, de l'Orchestre de Paul Whiteman; Arnold Brillhart, de l'Orchestre de Roger Kahn, et George Napoleon, anciennement avec Lopez, se sont rencontrés et ont fait une comparaison approfondie avec six saxophones alto en laiton, dont un Selmer.​

​

Le résultat a été que l'instrument d'argent a été choisi maintes et maintes fois pour sa sonorité par des auditeurs à une certaine distance, qui ne pouvaient pas voir quel instrument était joué. Il a également été observé qu'il était pratiquement impossible de souffler trop fort sur l'instrument et que lors d'un crescendo au maximum FF, il n'y avait ni bourdonnement ni arête dessus.​

 

[jcn664]

@jcn664 , pour votre information:

Article:

Selmer Silver Saxophone Purchased by Wiedoeft​

Solid Coin Silver Instrument Being Used by Noted Saxophonist on Vaudeville Tour​

Elkhart, Ind., March 14.[1927] - What is claimed to be the highest-priced saxophone ever made was delivered recently to the highest-salaried saxophonist in the world, when Rudy Wiedoeft purchased from H. & A. Selmer, Inc., a solid coin silver Selmer saxophone. Wiedoeft is now using his instrument on an extensive vaudeville tour.​

​

The story behind Wiedoeft's purchase of the instrument is an interesting one. Last September he was in France and spent some time at the Selmer factory in company with George M. Bundy, president of the American house of Selmer. Rudy was shown some solid silver mouthpieces for saxophones being made up for special orders and he asked why a saxophone of solid silver could not be made.​

​

The answer was that it was feared that with coin silver it would be difficult to draw the tone holes without breaking. The Selmer officials were so delighted with Rudy's playing, however, that they set about making the instrument.​

​

Earlier this year the instrument was completed and arrived in New York and Rudy and a number of prominent saxophonists, including Chester Hazlitt, of Paul Whiteman's Orchestra; Arnold Brillhart, of Roger Kahn's Orchestra, and George Napoleon, formerly with Lopez, met and made a thorough comparison with six brass alto saxophones, including a Selmer.​

​

The result was that the silver instrument was picked out time and again for its tone by listeners some distance away, who could not see which instrument was being played. It was also observed that it was practically impossible to overblow the instrument and that when making a crescendo to the fullest FF there was no buzz or edge on it.​

Traduction en français par Yandex:

Saxophone Selmer en Argent acheté par Wiedoeft​

Instrument en Argent Massif Utilisé par un Saxophoniste Renommé lors d'une Tournée de Vaudeville​

Elkhart, Ind., 14 Mars.[1927] - Ce qui est prétendu être le saxophone le plus cher jamais fabriqué a été livré récemment au saxophoniste le mieux rémunéré au monde, lorsque Rudy Wiedoeft a acheté à H. & A. Selmer, Inc., un saxophone Selmer en argent massif. Wiedoeft utilise maintenant son instrument lors d'une vaste tournée de vaudeville.​

​

L'histoire derrière l'achat de l'instrument par Wiedoeft est intéressante. En septembre dernier, il était en France et a passé quelque temps à l'usine de Selmer en compagnie de George M. Bundy, président de la maison américaine de Selmer. Rudy a vu des embouchures en argent massif pour saxophones être fabriquées pour des commandes spéciales et il a demandé pourquoi un saxophone en argent massif ne pouvait pas être fabriqué.​

​

La réponse était qu'on craignait qu'avec de l'argent de monnaie, il soit difficile de dessiner les trous de tonalité sans se casser. Les officiels de Selmer étaient tellement ravis du jeu de Rudy, cependant, qu'ils se sont mis à fabriquer l'instrument.​

​

Plus tôt cette année, l'instrument a été achevé et est arrivé à New York et Rudy et un certain nombre d'éminents saxophonistes, dont Chester Hazlitt, de l'Orchestre de Paul Whiteman; Arnold Brillhart, de l'Orchestre de Roger Kahn, et George Napoleon, anciennement avec Lopez, se sont rencontrés et ont fait une comparaison approfondie avec six saxophones alto en laiton, dont un Selmer.​

​

Le résultat a été que l'instrument d'argent a été choisi maintes et maintes fois pour sa sonorité par des auditeurs à une certaine distance, qui ne pouvaient pas voir quel instrument était joué. Il a également été observé qu'il était pratiquement impossible de souffler trop fort sur l'instrument et que lors d'un crescendo au maximum FF, il n'y avait ni bourdonnement ni arête dessus.​

Oh it's after, interessant, i'm confuse with selmer modèle 22 special rudy widoeft for rudy widoeft, it's on italian museum.

This model was in gold plated.

 

[Woodpad]

I don't like Chinese saxes. It's not so much about the saxes, it's more how the saxes were made.

There are some stories of people trying to make the best possible saxophones from Japan and Taiwan. The problem with the people republic of China is the lack of reliable stories. It is still possible there are such people there. At the moment I am looking at a Chinese Getzen saxophone and it is a real saxophone, not a saxophone shaped object, so I think it is possible, still not my dream saxophone.

 

[Ghr9204]

Oh it's after, interessant, i'm confuse with selmer modèle 22 special rudy widoeft for rudy widoeft, it's on italian museum. This model was in gold plated.

Could it be 100 years ago, since Rudy Widoeft was very famous and wealthy, that he owned other models of exclusive saxes?

 

[PigSquealer]

Oh it's after, interessant, i'm confuse with selmer modèle 22 special rudy widoeft for rudy widoeft, it's on italian museum.

This model was in gold plated.

That’s a completely different sax in that museum.

 

[PigSquealer]

Could it be 100 years ago, since Rudy Widoeft was very famous and wealthy, that he owned other models of exclusive saxes?

Not really. The Selmer he mostly played was common. A Selmer USA. A spec stenciled horn built by Buescher. He endorsed Holton but didn’t really partake in the Rudy Wiedoeft model design. I’ve spent years trying to document that he actually played a R.W. Holton. Not one shred of evidence that he ever played one on stage. Demonstrating yes. Preforming no.
He died a broke drunk from cirrhosis of the liver.

 

[PigSquealer]

When you say you dream to have rudy wiedoft c melody silver plated horn, we talk rudy wiedoft stencils horn, or not, because rudy wiedoft c melody horn are common,

It existed rudy wiedoft in stencils name
But for me you don't talk about this, i ask because it could confused

The article is clearly dated, March 19, 1927 and is coin silver. NOT silver plated. This was an ALTO not a C Melody.

 

[Ghr9204]

He died a broke drunk from cirrhosis of the liver.

Sorry to hear that. We have other famous saxists who succumbed to alcohol / drugs. Charlie Parker passed away at age 34. His liver and other organs were so bad that the coroner thought he was doing an autopsy on a 50+ year old man.

The article is clearly dated, March 19, 1927 and is coin silver. NOT silver plated. This was an ALTO not a C Melody.

Have you thought of being a contestant on The Weakest Link? 😀

The Selmer he mostly played was common. A Selmer USA. A spec stenciled horn built by Buescher.

Hey! Then my Bundy II alto is a keeper.

 

[Keshr]

Got mine:
1924 C Melody

 

[PigSquealer]

Got mine:
1924 C Melody

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Good to see you here !
Ernst A. Couturier made pro level saxophones only. You have a rare dream sax.

For those who don’t know about the maker. Here’s a brief.

Horn-u-copia Makers Reference

Brass Instrument Makers List with history, location and examples

www.horn-u-copia.net

 

[jcn664]

That’s a completely different sax in that museum.

Yes, it's for that i say i'm confused between this model,
It called Selmer modele 22 "rudy widoeft"

 

[jcn664]

Could it be 100 years ago, since Rudy Widoeft was very famous and wealthy, that he owned other models of exclusive saxes?

In finally, i will not surprise, if we know that
Because It was not extraordinary at this period to have custom order

And with Selmer you could paid for custom order,

It's for that we have today c melody paris after 1930

I have c melody pre SSS, extremely rare and not on catalogue, it was custom order.

It exist c melody Balanced Action, c melody SBA and c melody mark vi, it's Just custom order.

Ladario model was custom order for mr Ladario for exemple.

I take Just many exemple, but not surprise if they're two or three exclusivity horn for rudy wiedoft by Selmer.

 

[jcn664]

Got mine:
1924 C Melody

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It's Nice horn, I've only one soprano by couturier (one perfect curved or semi curved stencils vibrato) it's good and cool horn,

 

[pablop]

My dream horn seems to have been a moving target for a while.
Loved the lush tone of a Conn 10M, chased the comfort of a modern Japanese ergos (Yani and Yamaha) and eventually got a hold of a late 60s Mark VI which made it all work for me.

Still miss the Conn 10M tone but I am a lot happier with the intonation and ease of play of the Selmer.

 

[Dr G]

My dream horn seems to have been a moving target for a while.
Loved the lush tone of a Conn 10M, chased the comfort of a modern Japanese ergos (Yani and Yamaha) and eventually got a hold of a late 60s Mark VI which made it all work for me.

Still miss the Conn 10M tone but I am a lot happier with the intonation and ease of play of the Selmer.

You sound like a candidate for a Borgani Jubilee.