Tinkering, my experience and a new toy :w00t:

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Through the possession of an enthusiastic passion and tinkering mind, it was odds on that one day I would ?stretch myself? beyond my minor repair comfort zone.

I gig, with the tenor on average once a week and an additional 3 or 4 hours a week practise over the last 16 years.
Typically I?d always wait for a ?clank? or squeak that wasn?t there the day before, locate the missing felt or cork and replace it. Following this mammoth type of task I would then check for leaks (with a leak light not fag papers) particularly in that area and make further adjustments if necessary. This usually meant I?d find at least one other cork that was compressed beyond its original working tolerance and I?d either replace it or tweak a relevant adjustment screw.
For the pads that rest open against corks it?s tricky to be sure I haven?t effected the tuning. It?s great when you actually still have the original piece that fell off.
Anyway, about an hour later with everything appearing to seal and confidence that I haven?t made any adjustments that bear negative results I?d finish up with a quick polish in those hard to get at places, a spot of oil on the keys and some cork grease. This time spent usually happens less than twice a year per sax and has kept them from needing serious attention. Thats about the extent of my experience

When my tenor (YTS 875 main sax) was 5 years old it had some of the more susceptible pads replaced and has been back a few times since for similar jobs that are too risky for me. This tenor is now 16 years old and never been overhauled needless to say many pads are original. The Dr has recently suggested that I?ll need to make an appointment in about a year for that overhaul. I?m really happy with that! The quality of this thing to last so well.

However >:)
This week I bought a YTS62 for ?650 because I CAN?T HELP IT! :whistle:
You would, wouldn't you???
It?s in great shape as far as the body and pad lives are concerned but upon its arrival, I sadistically wasn?t disappointed to find a few missing corks and poorly seating pads unless you have a grip like the Hulk.
Now (a day later) she?s pretty much there.
Though I could be happier with the A function.
Bb seals nicely with bis key and C operates with a full seal but playing an A requires more finger pressure to seal the same pad.
Any adjustment I make slightly opens a pad further up that closes when pressing the B. Any hints or is it one for the Dr?

I did do a neck recork. This is the first time!
With the confidence that I wasn?t going to be stuck with out a horn and knowing that I had the time to focus on not having any careless accidents damaging anything I followed The Dr?s (Steve Howard) instructions. It was still a little scary with that modelling knife and sand paper attack. But what do you know? I am pleased with the result and make a declaration that it is 100% functional.
The trimming at the tip and at the rear end of the cork could look more pleasant but the sanded cone shape, is for me as an amateur a revelation . I used a finer grade sand paper than his recommendation simply because its all I had. Things took a little longer this way but maybe avoided some pitfalls that he points out by doing so.
I did this job for the love and experience and thoroughly enjoyed it!
The cork was ?2.70 and the evostick was ?3.80 Steve takes little over 10 minutes to do one and that?s allowing the glue to go tacky.
It took me about an hour and a half so he can?t be doing it right surely? 😛

My verdict on the recork is in keeping with Steves advice:-
Unless you are really up for it, even with the luxury of time and a back up horn its better to pay your tech. In my case bung Mr Howard a ?5?r and have a chat while you spin your eyes around the interesting clutter of his work shop.

Next time its pads in the palm keys or similarly accessable!
 
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griff136 wrote:
A purple logo 62 tenor for ?650 what a bargain!!

Indeed!
That was the buy it now price as well... so it didn't take long to make up my mind.
But be EBAY warned beginners, this was advertised as :-
"regularly serviced so plays well". If thats true the tech was drunk, blind or having an off day last time out. I'm convinced no transit whack would have caused the niggles.
Now I haven't got a monkey grip and it took a lot of pressure to seal many pads as well as the missing or useless cork adjustments.

A beginner or 'tinkerphobic' stretching themselves budget wise could have had a frustrating time with this and the only cure with peace of mind would have been a trip to you techs. I would estimate ?50ish.
(still not bad at the price and the pics clearly showed you should not expect any major issues)
So what about that A leak?? It still feels like a reseating (replacement) of the pad is required to me.
 
Regards your stuffy A note here's what I'd do.........

Firstly when you operate the C key it close the A pad and the Bis pad and the bar key pad.

These 3 pads must close with equal pressure.

As it's a Yamaha sax unscrew the regulating screw on the bar directly above the foot of the C key.

Check for leaks using a leak light in a darkened room.


( When checking for leak I find it best to use the fingers that actually play the keys and try and use the same pressure I would for playing and try to use the minimum pressure I can so that I can get every minute leak sorted)


If no leaks are visible now check for equal pressure using a feeler such as a cigarette paper cut to a point with the glued edge trimmed off place under the pad and close the key check the pad seating all round the pad.

If there are no leaks tighten the screw on the bar key until it closes the bar key pad ( the one above the B pad) and the Bis and A pads without any leaks.


If the leak is under the bis key then the material in between the bis key cup and the C pearl holder has become compressed. - you can either replace this or bend the key a little.

to bend the key, place the thin end of an old reed in between the A pad and its tonehole the gently press down on the C key pearl.

you only need a little pressure.

gently does it

Check again with a leak light.

if the leak is under the A pad place the reed under the Bis pad and gently press on the A key cup.

once the leak has been eliminated check the B and A keys for any double action .

if this all seems too daunting take it to Steve.

Good luck and lets us know how you get on.
 
Thanks Griff!
much appreciated again.

I'll give that a go as soon as possible. Probably tonight.
I have found 1 other thing I will look at in the same repair session...

There are some fairly new corks on the opposite side of the posts on the levers that rise against a bar when operating bottom F,E and D keys. It looks like they have been replaced with out any readjustment of the 3 corresponding screws. The result is that your fingers almost close the pads under spring tension but then take on a secondary tension against the corks before the pads completely seal.

One point of interest for those with small hands...
As good as YTS62's are ergonomically, the YTS875 is even more accomodating around the :-
Palm keys,
G#,C#,B,Bb cluster,
and the stretch to bottom C.
I was a little shocked to suddenly have these unwelcome 'collisions' after all these years!
Its nothing you wouldn't get used to very quickly though.
 
Re your bottom stack


this problem could be either:

1. the regulation screws on the bar that shuts the F# in conjunction with F,E or D keys or it could just be over regulation on the G#/long Bb arm - this is the arm that sticks out from the F# pad ( the pad above the F key) this arm has 2 screws on it to close the Bb and the G#if theses are over regulated this stops the F# pad from closing correctly and as the F/E/D are linked to the F# with the bar and regulation screws then they can be affaected as well.

I would regulate the link between the F# pad and the G# pad first.

tighten or unscrew the regulating screws on the arm until the G#/F# pad close , then do likewise for the long Bb/F#- re check to make sure that the G#/F# are still closing correctly.

then you can adjust the F, E and D regulating screws to close each with equal pressure with the F# - then check the G#/F# again.

good luck and let us know how you get on.
 
So....
It's 9p.m. and I won't get a chance to blow until tomorrow evening but with all the curtains drawn to allow for the leak light to show up I have done what I can.

For the leaks playing an A, I employed all techniques Griff mentioned except I don't own the fag papers. (I will buy some and repeat the job if necessary)
As subtle as I tried to be, some results were as if I cracked a walnut with a sledgehammer and they needed reversing. Hence I wandered between leaks on all three pads.
Little by little I finally managed to rid all light from these pads with a pressure lighter than I use when I am playing.

Regarding my 2nd issue I checked as suggested. I found my initial diagnosis to be correct but having followed Griffs tips I now understand how I could have been jumping the gun.
This was a much easier issue to resolve than the Leaky left hand A,B,C.

Hopefully I'll have nothing to report when I play test tomorrow :whistle:
Thanks again Griff you are a Gent.
 
Hey Saxlicker,

The 62 tenor looks good - I wish I could find one in New Zealand for 650 quid (under NZD2,000.00) - the odd occasion they do come up for sale in NZ they're usually around the NZD3,000 to NZD3,500 (1,000 quid to 1,200 quid approx.) Good buy and enjoy - looks like I'll have to stand in the queue after Bobby G. 🙁
Regards,
Greg Strange (still looking for a 62 tenor at a good price).
 
Greg and Bobby,

I am resigned to certain things...
Where as once I lived in hope of finding that highly desirable vintage horn in original shape that the ol' fella down the road just wanted rid of, the dream faded with the rise of the ebay revolution.
He's probably at least gonna ask his nephew or the likes of and after an hour or so even the most ill informed are gonna be pretty sure they have something of interest.That info has never been so readily on hand until ebay.
You can just hear it in the adds....." one owner, lovely tone, the best pro sax on the planet, very rare, my local shop valued this at ?2000,000. reeds and many other extra's" (pic of mouthpiece on the neck the wrong way up)


Infact worse still, although I have seen a recent levelling of peak prices, the real desirable stuff has as you already know, steadily rocketed because every single person in the whole modern world was waiting for it just like I was.

Therefore I switched my attention (and I must say with compromise) to stuff such as the 62 because I beleive there is still the odd chance of a bargain.
The Yamaha name does not grab everyone and certainly doesn't stand out like a Selmer or King super 20 for instance.
Come to think of it even in the world of motorcycles people think Harley = cash
Ducati = cash
Not so of yamaha to anywhere near that degree.

So keep 'em peeled guys....you can get lucky in this department. But its getting harder and you have to be prepared to be quick 😉
 
I think you are playing top f# the best way Bob...
I remember how strange it feels changing left hand position when you don't have the key (especially as you have it on your 62 alto).
But honestly...
Talking of altisimo, when you do start grasping that, you are already in better shape finger wise because you have front high f# experience......I promise!!!
 

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