IOTM Sept 2015 - 'Turn Down not Tuna App!'

[Ivan]

I will second @Jeanette here to congratulate you on this take and confirm from a French point of view that indeed, Rules should be broken, or bent, or circumvented or at the very least interpreted... Montesquieu wrote "L'esprit des lois", ie "The spirit of the laws" and we tend to live by that book, in spirit... 😉

Whatever rules you broke, you it with style and it's pleasing to the ear, so you're good!

Thanks @saxyjt for sharing the rules of Gallic subversion!

 

[Colin the Bear]

They not rules, just parameters of the exercise. I get used to going off on one and sorting it out as it develops and playing improv over well known tunes and trying to get more and more in, but holding back and trying to make something musical out of the bare bones was difficult for me and very revealing. I had to stick the sheet on the stand and focus. And throw the first two takes out, of course.

 

[Jeanette]

And throw the first two takes out, of course.

I think I threw nearer 200 out lol, you know I should have kept count and in time hoped they would get less.

I now feel ready to tackle the next bit. Thanks guys

Jx

 

[Chris]

@Ivan lovely version🙂

There are no rules as such guys, just suggestions for an order of learning eg learn the basics before you go advanced. The problem is for guys that have been playing for a good few years is you will already have an ear and knowledge that lets you wander away from the chord tones just ask @Colin the Bear how hard it was to stay
within the guidelines. The main thing is to enjoy making music of your own.🙂

Chris.🙂

 

[Jeanette]

Ivan this tune is made up of 251 chord progressions, @aldevis is just calling them a block.

A question re ii V I progressions, can you mix and match using triads and major 7s or are there rules to be followed?

If you think this is best moved to a chord theory I will do so 🙂

Jx

 

[Jeanette]

@aldevis Chris said these were 251 chord progressions and the chord sheet provided is a triad, 4 note chord and two more triads

I have a book in front of me that talks about 251 as for key of C major D G C or Dminor7 G7 Cmajor7 and I was wondering if there were any special rules around 251 progressions and the use of 3 or 4 note chords or can you throw in whatever you fancy anywhere you want. I should probably read more of the book but am impatient..... 🙂

Jx

 

[Colin the Bear]

Look at the piano keyboard. VIRTUAL KEYBOARD - PIANO

All the white notes are key of C.

Starting with C, play four alternate white notes. I, it's a major seven.

Move it up a tone to D and play alternate four white notes Its a D minor with a flat 7.

The ii, lower case denotes minor. Upper case is major.

Upper case have maj7. Lower case have flat seven.

If you extend C to five alternate white notes you're adding D the 9. add the next it's add F, the 11. When you get to A, the 13 you're an octave up from A relative minor, which is why A at 6 works as a harmony too.

I ( capital eye) can be C E G B D F A C but it sounds cluttered. So adding one of the notes 7 9 11 13 on another instrument or as a progression adds flavour or colour to the harmony. Flattening some of them sounds weird at first but like different flavours they grow on you.

 

[Jeanette]

Colin you are a star but I'm not getting this across very well

ii (3 notes) V7(4 notes) I (3 notes) is a 251 progression?
iim7 (4 notes) V7 (4 notes) Imaj7 (4 notes) is a 251 progression?

so would

iim7 V Imaj7 or ii V7 Imaj7 etc be acceptable?

Does it matter how you mix up the 3 and 4 note chords in a 251 progression....

Jx

 

[Colin the Bear]

I don't think it matters in theory. Sound wise we have preferences

A I in key of C could be CEGBDFAC. Cmaj7 9 11 13

ii could be DFACEGBD Dm7 9 11 13

V could be GBDFACEG G7 9 11 13

Can you see the repeating patterns. Any white notes are key of C.

It all starts to sound a bit cluttered though.

Different genres/ styles / preferences pick out which harmony they want to go with. Composers have their favourites.

A V sounds a bit limp without the 7 though. But this may be what the composer likes.

 

[Nick Wyver]

It's probably easiest to think of them as all 4 note chords, ie. IIm7, V7, IM7

 

[Colin the Bear]

I've been listening to too many pianist lately

 

[aldevis]

It's probably easiest to think of them as all 4 note chords, ie. IIm7, V7, IM7

But keeping in mind that it is not compulsory playing all of them

 

[Chris]

@Jeanette a 3 or 4 note chord is still a 2 5 or 1. In jazz most of the time triads always get the 4th note added.

Chris..

 

[Jeanette]

@Jeanette a 3 or 4 note chord is still a 2 5 or 1. In jazz most of the time triads always get the 4th note added.

Chris..

Just what I was after, thank you, not that the other answers weren't useful 🙂

Jx

 

[aldevis]

Testing some equipment (do forgive me for some tuning isues)

Some 9th slipped, but I have been pretty loyal to arpeggios
www.aldevis.com/edu/IOTM/tunarp.mp3

First chorus arpeggios, second chorus scales:
www.aldevis.com/edu/IOTM/tunarpscales.mp3

 

[Jeanette]

Testing some equipment (do forgive me for some tuning isues)

Some 9th slipped, but I have been pretty loyal to arpeggios
www.aldevis.com/edu/IOTM/tunarp.mp3

First chorus arpeggios, second chorus scales:
www.aldevis.com/edu/IOTM/tunarpscales.mp3

Do tell what equipment are you testing 🙂

Thank you, you make it sound so easy, are you sure you should have played over those last chords 😉

Jx

 

[billbluesnjazz]

Hi folks, been off the grid for some time now. A long story but it involves working with a very difficult, possibly ill, dog which has been taking up 99% of our time. Just accessed the forum last night and recorded a quick blast this morning. Using only (or Aldevis, almost only) chord tones, hopefully illustrating the power of 7 to 3 movement to build melodic lines on the fly.

https://soundcloud.com/billbluesnjazz%2Fturn-down-sequoia

View: https://soundcloud.com/billbluesnjazz/turn-down-sequoia


Should get to more complex improv in the next few days, fingers crossed.

Bill

 

[aldevis]

illustrating the power of 7 to 3 movement to build melodic lines on the fly.

Clearly a huge harmonic confidence.
Maybe you also play guitar or piano? Maybe 🙂

Thanks for posting. I hope the dog gets better.

Do tell what equipment are you testing 🙂

My Sequoia is travelling to Italy for a full check up, so I am trying to revive Mark "Leaky" VI

 

[billbluesnjazz]

Here's a second version using mainly diatonic runs with a couple of chromatic bebop dominants for Aldevis. Also quite hard to do, just sticking to the scales. Using my curvy Yani this time just for a change.

https://soundcloud.com/billbluesnjazz%2Fturn-down-yani

View: https://soundcloud.com/billbluesnjazz/turn-down-yani


Bill

 

[Colin the Bear]

Do you live at the bottom of a well?