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Saxophones Sakkusu C Melody Identification

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Let's hope so.

After all this build up, you'd better post a full review when you finally get your hands on the beast.
 

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Will do Jon - as a long term Tenor player whos been on Alto for a year, it`ll be interesting -

it`s not a whim this, it`s a need (for the "other" band) and why I was able to sell the Lyons-C this is replacing it as I`m a sax player (not comfortable gigging clarinet regardless of model) - the C-Melody puts an instrument I can play comfortably to gigging level in my hands with a guitar based band used to playing in C . the sale of the Soprano was needed to help finance it too (I`ve not got the disposable income of some here) ..

It may have to end up at Stephen Howard for a service , where it'll likely end up getting a real review - he`s never reviewed a modern (Chinese) C-Melody so may even do it free just to get his hands on one :optimistic:

Great Clip Colin !!
 

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a guitar based band used to playing in C

Blimey! Where'd you find one of them? E and A is rather more usual. I've been doing it for so long that I'd probably find playing in C more of an issue than playing in C#.
 

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it`s a folk band , C & F are used a lot as is G . they play in all sorts of keys where it`s a lot easier to have a non-transposing instrument
 
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Ah, yes! I used to play in a ceilidh sort of band. Did it all on soprano so I got used to playing in D and A a lot. If I'd had a C sop at the time I expect I would have used that.
 

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The Sharkbite Tenor 6 piece arrived today, gave it a blast on the YTS62. better than expected, rather small scale and smooth compared to the bright & loud PPT 8* Onyxite but a pretty good even sound with a Rico V3 , should be fine on the C-Melody once I`ve got someone to carefully remove 12mm off the end ............

the Lig which came with it is a genuine Selmer france one (no doubt the proper lig for the piece the Sharkbite mimicks, the OEM one probably fell to bits) but it`s in reality a bit big , any suggestions as to what to replace it with ? - the Selmer one is probably worth more than the mouthpiece - LOL
 

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Well the Sakkusu C-Melody came !! .

Good news is that it`s mint and plays perfectly , better news is that it`s a BRONZE one , must be proper bronze as the pillars are gold laquer but the tube is bronze .. this thing so so much like a Bauhaus Walstein AS-PD it`s unreal very heavy for its size like a Bauhaus AS-PD as well .

nothing is perfect, the Case is utter garbage (Yup that`s rather Walstein too) and being a C-Melody I can`t use my fantasic BAM Alto shell case or my Yamaha Tenor case ............ I`m glad its the case which is trash and not the sax - the Bronze bit was a nice surprise .

Quick Snap


Sak-C.jpg
 

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I looked back through the thread but couldn't work out where you bought it... pawn/Sax.co/flea/Thomann
 

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It was another popular Pawn shop - 3rd time successful - 1st a while back was an Alto, second very recently was a Tenor - this one is a real C-Melody ! .. I think the sharkbite will be OK but I`m going to try some Alto pieces I have first (the LAWs, Graftonite 5M, Esprit etc) before I go hacking the end off anything .
 

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That's pretty. There's some pretty cheap £5 chinese plastic tenor mouthpieces on Ebay that might be worth experimenting on to give you a reference point, before you commit to chopping the shark.

It didn't take you long to update your sig lol
 

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LOL . thanks Colin , JonF is using a shark just fine and those £5 pieces on E-Bay tend to have something like 3 tips :( .

The shark was secondhand for £25 to the door, it sounds OK on the horn unmodded (well as OK as it can not getting far enough up the cork) so I`m sure it`ll be fine , I will try the Alto pieces first, Scott from Sax.co used one on the demo
 

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Gave the sax a blast with my LAW LCM alto piece and seems to tune up fine without hanging off the end of the cork - it would seem that Sax.co may have had these made with alto Mpcs in mind .....

sound wise, it`s rather like a Yani 992 as expected (though inbetween an Alto and a tenor of course) , rounded , focussed and refined , doesn`t sound anything like Gus Buescher`s pet Heiffer at all :D
 

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Looks nice. Hope you enjoy it. Wouldn't mind one myself to complete my set.
 

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it`s a folk band , C & F are used a lot as is G . they play in all sorts of keys where it`s a lot easier to have a non-transposing instrument

If you want to keep really simple you should buy a C-melody Home Model. Keyed from low C to C3 (C#). Just 12 keys. Perfect to play the melody/sing lines on. But the tone/sound is not what we want today? The C tenor is close to the human voice. Maybe it's why it got the nick name C melody? I don't think any manufactors outside USA called the C-tenor for C-melody?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzi8rDZSBDI
 

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The thing should be called the Contralto which is what it is.
 

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my old Conn doesn't sound at all vintage when I use a modern high baffle mouthpiece.
Anthony Braxton uses a Brilhart Levelair on his C mel - not sure if it's an alto or tenor piece.
I don't know what Glenn Spearman used on his c mel, pictures aren't detailed enough, but he had a raucous tone.
If the LAW works, go for it

it'd be interesting to compare the modern one you've got with a vintage Conn and see if the body tube is similar - or did they redesign it completely?
 

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I`ve got 2 LAWs - the LCM and the brighter higher baffle Buzzer , I`ve only tried the LCM but I`m sure the other will work too

the Graftonite A5 works too but I don`t get on with the things even on an Alto due to the relatively steep lay in such a narrow gap piece causing C/B/Bb bottom end issues (octaving with soft reeds or on/off control with hard ones) but the highs are are sweet as a nut ..

I`ve never even clapped eyes on a Conn C-Mel so don`t know how the body tube differs - when you look at the horn, it gives the impression that they grabbed one of their Yani-clone tenors (Guessing the same factory which makes BW here) and scaled It down in size to play in C , damn good job if you ask me. The Microtuner thing is a mystery , the 6M ones I`ve seen were impossibly stiff (probably due to gunge) but this one is positively loose . the thing weighs a ton for its size (like I`d expect a Stephanhauser to for an alto) , it`s about the same weight as a YTS-23 !!

The horn looks like it was bought on a whim , maybe played three or 4 times and stuck back in its case, it even had the plastic bags around the horn, neck etc .
 

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I've never found the microtuner to be of much use, although the one on my C mel is working fine, I tend to leave it alone.
This is what a Conn looks like - http://www.saxpics.com/?v=gal&a=907

I suspect they might've started off with the Conn design and modified and improved it as well as fitting modern keywork
 

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as you can imagine, the conn in those pics bears no relation to the Sak in terms of layout .. on inspecting , holding and playing the Sak, I still think they started off with a Yani-tenor design and worked out how to make it in C . the Conn (or buescher etc) may have given them a guide regarding body tonehole position etc . I guess the Chinese are more inventive than people give them credit for ..

Who thesedays in total are still making the things - its it just the factories (or factory) which does the Sakkusu and the Aquila ?
 

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