Playing Playing idiomatically Vs novelty act...

[turf3]

Did what exactly in reference to my post?

The synthesizer dance Adagio for Strings you were referring to; Eric Carmen turned one of the major strains of the Rachmaninoff into his cheesy power ballad, and the long "album" version even has a considerable stretch of the original piece in it.

As noted, popular groups taking classical pieces has a long long history. Way way back in the days of vaudeville and even traveling minstrel shows, "light classics" performed as piano or reed organ reductions were a common part of those shows. Out in the hinterlands, before the phonograph, the only way to hear any classical music was to buy a sheet music piano or organ reduction and play it yourself, or to hear a traveling troupe perform it.

 

[turf3]

It appears from Wikip. that the player piano and the phonograph became comercially popular about the same time, late in the 1890s. Before that you had traveling performers (let's not forget the circuses, which hired some of the finest musicians of the time) or you ordered sheet music from Montgomery Ward, or bought it from a traveling salesman or the general store when you went into town.

 

[LostCircuits]

And there is, of course, the other way, too. Classical arrangements of pop songs. Or symphonic performances of R&B songs. Or, to go full circle, a butchered Bach piece turned mega hit and then performed as symphonic rendition with the original artist (or without).

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St6jyEFe5WM


I don't think there are any limitations, whether it is turning the same theme jazz or Michael Brecker playing "Redemption Song" or David Sanborn playing "Spooky".

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsTpLlC5qWc

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srFtJS3GFtM

 

[mizmar]

It's all very well postings examples that work (for you) and / or have stood the test of time - but it's only instructive if counterexamples are included. Naff attempts, brave efforts, novelty shop giveaways...
In academia; covering the whole spectrum is science; just giving examples that work is humanities... Unless it always works; in which case it's uninformative and so philosophy.

 

[LostCircuits]

It's all very well postings examples that work (for you) and / or have stood the test of time - but it's only instructive if counterexamples are included. Naff attempts, brave efforts, novelty shop giveaways...
In academia; covering the whole spectrum is science; just giving examples that work is humanities... Unless it always works; in which case it's uninformative and so philosophy.

Oh, just come by and hear me play a flamenco version of Little Wing on a concert guitar 🙂

 

[LostCircuits]

You probably never heard of Amos Key but they were in the same genre. Thomas Molin (Mueller) was 2 years my senior in high school and Amos Key was his obsession to the point where he worked as a male escort to finance the band. And then he was hit by a car leaving him paraplegic but he continued playing in a wheel chair until he passed away in the 90s

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoXNhiAu6M8&list=RDEMyJ64WaytK7uGOyO23ExCtw&start_radio=1

 

[Pete Effamy]

The synthesizer dance Adagio for Strings you were referring to; Eric Carmen turned one of the major strains of the Rachmaninoff into his cheesy power ballad, and the long "album" version even has a considerable stretch of the original piece in it.

As noted, popular groups taking classical pieces has a long long history. Way way back in the days of vaudeville and even traveling minstrel shows, "light classics" performed as piano or reed organ reductions were a common part of those shows. Out in the hinterlands, before the phonograph, the only way to hear any classical music was to buy a sheet music piano or organ reduction and play it yourself, or to hear a traveling troupe perform it.

I wasn’t against merely putting a classical piece onto synth, it was that the dance version was particularly appallingly done.

We’re probably all aware of Wendy Carlos - whatever your thoughts, at least all parts can be heard/are present.

 

[Ivan]

I’m not against the idea, but this has no musical nuance at all. And a DJ. No one will ever convince me that they have a musical talent.

True

And on the grounds that I found this vid quite thrilling, I've just asked my youngest (17yrs) to listen to the original, so she can know where it all came from before she is contaminated by the cartoon alternatives

However... Now listening to the original... I'll wait and see if she lasts the distance

 

[Pete Effamy]

…people also prefer to eat McDonald’s .

 

[PiccoloPirate]

Might we see, PLATOON, the musical,
on Broadway?
Marching to Cold Heart with the NYPD Pipes and Drums......
if I was the Mayor/choreographer. 😵‍💫

 

[Pete Effamy]

True

And on the grounds that I found this vid quite thrilling, I've just asked my youngest (17yrs) to listen to the original, so she can know where it all came from before she is contaminated by the cartoon alternatives

However... Now listening to the original... I'll wait and see if she lasts the distance

But you're not asking her to compare similar things. One is a poignant, slow piece of music, and the other is pure energy and made for a Rave. I dare say that if your daughter likes this type of music then asking her to listen to something very slow-moving is most likely to get a negative response. At least ask what she thinks of "that bit" in the Rite of Spring, as it has energy.

 

[Pete Effamy]

Actually, (possibly me included) there are so many posts that could be read as either ironic/sarcastic, or pure meaning that I don't really know if half of the posts are in agreement or not 😳

 

[Pete Effamy]

it's one of those threads where you can't change opinions as there aren't any facts to offer up in order to change a misconception. You can only try and sway opinion and when it comes down to personal taste in music that rarely happens.

So, thread over for me.

 

[ghostler]

Might we see, PLATOON, the musical, on Broadway? Marching to Cold Heart with the NYPD Pipes and Drums...... if I was the Mayor/choreographer. 😵‍💫

Nah, do like the Chicago police. Play the national anthem, they take the knee, then cuff 'em. 😉

 

[mizmar]

it's one of those threads where you can't change opinions as there aren't any facts to offer up in order to change a misconception. You can only try and sway opinion and when it comes down to personal taste in music that rarely happens.

Well sure. But we can still recognise when something has stood the test of time or has (had) influence if it's innovation has been picked up and worked with or such.

Sure, Switched on Bach was almost my first classical record, I wore that disk out, widely admired(?) - but there was no wave of "the complete opus of X on synth" or such appearing on people's gramophones. Even now where the barrier of the complexity of the mogue is much lower. Carlos' work was, for me, first class music but, ultimately a "novelty act".
Same with Gunhild Carling (imho) a first class musician, good stage show (not for me) etc. But ... Novelty act, surely.

On the other hand, various Latin / Caribbean inputs where novel, trendy across Europe at some point; and have been absorbed into the bone marrow of many styles.
Equally elaborating a folk tune into a full orchestral piece doesn't seem to go out of fashion.. meanwhile folk purists (round these parts) can abide folk-fusion

 

[mizmar]

As if more proof were required that the internet spies on us... YouTube offered me

View: https://youtu.be/yiu54fd6Pu0

 

[Targa]

As if more proof were required that the internet spies on us... YouTube offered me

View: https://youtu.be/yiu54fd6Pu0

Presumably because of searches regarding classical music and not those for shirtless men.
Or worse - banjos.

 

[mizmar]

Presumably because of searches regarding classical music and not those for shirtless men.
Or worse - banjos.

I may have searched "things not to do..."

 

[LostCircuits]

More shirtless men, the way it all really started:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSpPgXRb5Cg