Saxophones Oldest Saxophone Here?

[jcn664]

Thank you so very much. You are 100% correct. I had difficulty with identifying what I have.

The serial number did not align with Apogee. But does align with Series 3. No.15280
Were all Series 3 with this key type ? 1889-1903 ?

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Now I understand the key action better too.
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My curved soprano have this system, i was happy because i thank it was apogee system,

But i learnt it wasn't, i was frustrated and i thank i want destroy this **** but after 3 or 4 second, i said okay never mind, i will have apogee one time, not sadness,

If i don't have now, i will have Probably one, it's not extremely rare,

 

[jcn664]

My curved soprano have this system, i was happy because i thank it was apogee system,

But i learnt it wasn't, i was frustrated and i thank i want destroy this **** but after 3 or 4 second, i said okay never mind, i will have apogee one time, not sadness,

If i don't have now, i will have Probably one, it's not extremely rare,

Morality i keep this curved soprano, it will go full restorate, but it's Probably good horn and it's atypical curvy with this feature, and i'm happy to have one,

 

[PigSquealer]

Morality i keep this curved soprano, it will go full restorate, but it's Probably good horn and it's atypical curvy with this feature, and i'm happy to have one,

Old and unique instruments take time to learn and understand. Patience and accepting that not all are perfect. Just embrace the makers offered technology from the time made.

Thank you again for taking the time to review my Evette & Schaeffer. Information provided 🤩.
Today, I learned something new, and from a fellow enthusiast friend 🙌

 

[jcn664]

Old and unique instruments take time to learn and understand. Patience and accepting that not all are perfect. Just embrace the makers offered technology from the time made.

Thank you again for taking the time to review my Evette & Schaeffer. Information provided 🤩.
Today, I learned something new, and from a fellow enthusiast friend 🙌

But now, i'm sad and happy for one thing, the major problem for me is my c soprano adolphe sax 1853-1854, i love this horn, the problem isn't the horn himself, but this so extremely rarity (pratically 99,99% impossible to have one)

If i realize my dream to have conn ô sax, the dream will realized but i will be so happy, Yes for sure, but the happiness will be decrease because the C soprano by Adolphe sax was so rare that conn-ô-sax will be not have this sensation and decrease the excitation,

It's litteraly Probably one of scaring that i have.

For that, i can say, don't try to have extremely rare directly, the waiting is Probably one of the best thing that you have. It's to create a dream, and realize the dream is best sensation that you've got.

I have absolutely no regret, because i play everytime my c soprano AS 1853-1854, and i had great and Probably the only opportunity that we can on one life

(only 2/4 but only 2 was official by Adolphe sax, the other attributed only, dmwe don't totally sure because one anonyme and the second not sceal not serial number and not AIS)

 

[Grumps]

If i realize my dream to have conn ô sax, the dream will realized but i will be so happy,

My dream is to forget I ever played one.
I don't think the mouthpiece was clean...

 

[jcn664]

My dream is to forget I ever played one.
I don't think the mouthpiece was clean...

Or your physical condition at this moment when you played
Or the conditions of instrument, the setting of instrument

Plenty reason can explain why it wasn't very good

 

[mark_addy]

My dream is to forget I ever played one.
I don't think the mouthpiece was clean...

...but a short course of antibiotics can sort out little problems like that these days, right?
🙂

(I shouldn't joke. A long time ago I taught ex-offenders in an adult ed music project. The guy running the session had to take me on one side and remind me of the prevalence of hepatitis etc etc amongst the service users, and that even if I were prepared to share a horn, I really shouldn't share a mouthpiece. I had a pile of anonymous mouthpieces which a music shop donated - who knows what happened to them).

@jcn664 , your dilemma is one that often bothers me in all sorts of settings, and reminds me of my favourite poem. I wonder if it will translate...

https://allpoetry.com/poem/8507389-Advent-by-Patrick-Kavanagh

 

[Grumps]

Or your physical condition at this moment when you played

I was definitely wasted. It was the Symposium, you know.

...but a short course of antibiotics can sort out little problems like that these days, right?

Well, handing them out like candy is one of the reasons they don't work as well anymore.

 

[mark_addy]

Well, handing them out like candy is one of the reasons they don't work as well anymore.

I agree...I was just trying a little humour along the lines of Squeeze's 'all I get is bitter and a nasty little rash'. Well, that's where talk of unclean mouthpieces takes me. Too much Sid James at an impressionable age.

 

[DataPath]

I found this thread while looking into an old saxophone I inherited. I played it a little bit in high school, not realizing the history of what I had.

I was going through a closet and pulled out the saxophone, and noticed a marking on it I hadn't seen before: USQMC. It's a King by The H. N. White Co. On the back of the horn, it says "Low Pitch, 41844", and the neck has the same (presumably serial) number: 41844. The USQMC stands for US Army Quartermaster Corps.

After some googling (and some AI answers of questionable legitimacy) it appears to date back to 1918, right around the time H. N. White incorporated. It was bought by the US Army right around the time of WWI.

 

[mark_addy]

I found this thread while looking into an old saxophone I inherited. I played it a little bit in high school, not realizing the history of what I had.

I was going through a closet and pulled out the saxophone, and noticed a marking on it I hadn't seen before: USQMC. It's a King by The H. N. White Co. On the back of the horn, it says "Low Pitch, 41844", and the neck has the same (presumably serial) number: 41844. The USQMC stands for US Army Quartermaster Corps.

After some googling (and some AI answers of questionable legitimacy) it appears to date back to 1918, right around the time H. N. White incorporated. It was bought by the US Army right around the time of WWI.

Hi, and welcome. I have a Conn baritone of a similar age, also engraved USQMC. Army surplus saxophones!

 

[PigSquealer]

I found this thread while looking into an old saxophone I inherited. I played it a little bit in high school, not realizing the history of what I had.

I was going through a closet and pulled out the saxophone, and noticed a marking on it I hadn't seen before: USQMC. It's a King by The H. N. White Co. On the back of the horn, it says "Low Pitch, 41844", and the neck has the same (presumably serial) number: 41844. The USQMC stands for US Army Quartermaster Corps.

After some googling (and some AI answers of questionable legitimacy) it appears to date back to 1918, right around the time H. N. White incorporated. It was bought by the US Army right around the time of WWI.

Welcome to the Café. What you have did serve in US military. The date is more likely 1922. Alto Model #1004. Tenor Model #1006. Member @Stocker has done extensive research on King dating.

H.N. White / King serial numbers

The existing serial number charts to be found for H.N. White/King musical instruments range from marginally accurate in some places to more-harm-than-good in others. This is a work in progress, but…

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Here’s a few links to study more about your King.

saxophonepage - hnwhite.com

Musical instruments made by The H. N. White Company King

www.hnwhite.com

King H.N White Musical Instruments Company - DannyChesnut.com

1918 King Band Instruments | Saxophone.org

Saxophone.org - created by saxophone players for saxophone players. Features an active saxophone forum, buy sell trade your sax, saxophone museum, sax teachers and more.

www.saxophone.org

 

[PigSquealer]

I have a Conn baritone of a similar age, also engraved USQMC. Army surplus saxophones!

I wonder how many USQMC instruments are still around ? Not sure if the servicemen were allowed to keep their instruments upon discharge ? Could you just imagine buying one as surplus ?
This Holton alto below from my collection dates to 1931.

Was a big mess.

The sax would have been 10-12 years old if this was played here below.

 

[mark_addy]

I wonder how many USQMC instruments are still around ? Not sure if the servicemen were allowed to keep their instruments upon discharge ? Could you just imagine buying one as surplus ?
This Holton alto below from my collection dates to 1931.
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Was a big mess.
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The sax would have been 10-12 years old if this was played here below.
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That's a lovely instrument, and a nice back story.

I bought mine privately, but there were the (slight) remains of old stickers and (security?) engraving on it which suggested to me that it might have been a schools' instrument at one time. I wondered if you have / had our equivalent of 'Wigan Borough Music Service' - here these organisations go borough-by-borough, and depending on where you live they can be really good outfits and quite competative with each other - to whom the government might release surplus military band instruments for use in schools. At least that was the story I wondered to myself, about my own 'Chelsea Pensioner'.

 

[PigSquealer]

That's a lovely instrument, and a nice back story.

Thanks, I purchased it from Goodwill @ $115 delivered. All from that one picture view. I didn’t know it had the USQMC. I collect odd builds. This is a Holton Rudy W. Build but not a true Rudy. It’s a split bell, Rudy’s were LH bell only. Holton was using up the leftover parts after the relationship fell apart. Funny thing is this has the “R” stamped by SN#. My real Rudy lacks the “R” ! I got lucky with extra two markings.
This alto ended up being my Covid project in 2020 during the pandemic. A full repair thread can be seen on Botville run by the name we don’t.

I bought mine privately, but there were the (slight) remains of old stickers and (security?) engraving on it which suggested to me that it might have been a schools' instrument at one time. I wondered if you have / had our equivalent of 'Wigan Borough Music Service' - here these organisations go borough-by-borough, and depending on where you live they can be really good outfits and quite competative with each other - to whom the government might release surplus military band instruments for use in schools. At least that was the story I wondered to myself, about my own 'Chelsea Pensioner'.

Your Conn was a lucky find too. Not sure there’s any scheme like Wigan around here. School districts let go of well used goods to auction houses. Usually red tagged units from the district service technician. There is one spares seller in Texas. The spares scheme is all disassembled dead school goods.

 

[DesertRoads]

I have a 1918 Martin straight neck C Melody. Definitely not the oldest, but it’s the oldest Sax I own.