BOTM Oct 2016 Satin Doll

[brianr]

Okay check it out. Am7 E7 Am7 E7/A B7. Right away you got that E7./ A that indicate to you that you can do a suspended type of movement movement which means you can play a A note all the way through. And that B sevens I guess they want the bass player to walk straight up to the B from there. So you just follow him .... G is the 7th for the A and the third for the E. So you can do a G And A trill .

with respect, its a bit of a confusing post. Im sure you wouldnt want to leave folks confused.

1)
We are here talking in this thread about SATIN DOLL.
I dont know which progression you are talking about above, but it isnt Satin Doll.

ie the first two bars
In tenor pitch it starts : Em7 A7 - Em7 A7
In alto pitch it starts : Bm7 E7 - Bm7 E7
In concert pitch it starts : Dm7 G7 - Dm7 G7

2)
I agree with your point that there is an E7 in the first 2 bars, if you are thinking alto. but your Am7 E7 is wrong, and confusing.

3)
in addition, in your Am7 E7, the 3rd of the E chord would be G sharp.
Not the G natural of the Am7 chord. ie not the continuity that you are suggesting

why would you suggest a trill between a root and a 3rd? interesting concept.

4)
"And that B sevens I guess they want the bass player to walk straight up to the B from there. So you just follow him"
Can you expand on what we may do to "follow him " ?

 

[Colin the Bear]

Some tunes aren't meant for improv. Play the tune. Enjoy the tune. Maybe embellish the tune a little? This one isn't about flashing about playing a lot of notes. Getting everything in the right place, smoothly and under tight control, both pitch and tone is what's required. The harmony and clever bit is in the arrangement. Fitting in is required, not standing out.

 

[Eoe]

Yea I see why I thought it was EM 7 two different charts and a Em after the AM made sense..not used to looking at different keys and charts for the same song. If it was the Em like I thought The third is a good note play and when you have a 4th (Em7/A ..A is the ,4 in a E scale .gives you a suspended efect . The bass walk up .when you see that E/A B7 you usually play the A then the A# on the next beat then the root B. if the bass does that play the same notes be is playing. Anyway it's the concept look at the spelling at a quick glance and I was working at the time that is what I saw for quick safe notes to play. With it being a E7 I may try a melodic minor typ thing. Mabey I have not given the backing track a listen depends on if those 7vns are being hammered . I think I have only played this once years ago off the real book. If this does not make sence I need more sleep played a Halloween gig last night. Like Colin said sometimes playing a lot of notes is not the way to go. well selected notes are better.

 

[Chris]

@Tiberius or anyone interested🙂

Most Jazz tunes begin in one key and will change a number of times. Think of it as a journey where the composer takes the listener along a harmonic path. Beginning at home and wandering around different keys until ending back home in the final bars. You must remember that the key sig only controls the melody notes and NOT the chords.
Your anti notes in simple terms are all the Black notes on a piano when playing in the key of Cmaj/Am the White notes all being in Key. As more #'s and b's get added to the key sig the mix of in key and out of key Black/White notes changes.

When improvising over a chord progression the starting point is to play the chord tones and make up new melodies on the fly. To an experienced player/listener this can sound very "Vanilla" or plain. The essence of jazz is tension and release. Tension created by playing 'out' 'wrong' 'avoid' notes and Release by playing 'in' or 'right' notes.

A chord tone will always sound good over it's chord, as you move away from the 7th things can being to sound a little more tense even though you are still in key, that all depends on the players ear and how the player hears the music.

As for this song, it is along with 'Autumn Leaves' on every jazz tutors beginners list as it moves in easy to follow
251 chord groups.


When you first look at the sheet, check the 'key sig' 'the song form AABA AA AB etc' then see what the chords are doing, mark on the sheet first 2 bars 251 in C bars 3/4 251 in Cmin etc etc. In Jazz A sections should be the same and the B section will have a different chord progression, AABA tunes are normally 8 bars + 8 bars +8 bars + 8 bars.
AA and AB tunes should be 16 bar + 16 bars. Yes there are exceptions to everything, but that is beyond a simple explanation.

Hope this helps🙂

Chris..

 

[Colin the Bear]

Okay folks. We need a tune for November. Pm me if you want to pick. If nobody wants to pick I get another go. I can't decide between Take 5 and Frere Jacques

 

[brianr]

I can't decide between Take 5 and Frere Jacques

A difficult choice.

You could always combine the two and get............................. 5 Frere(s)

that well known tune made famous by Woody Herman

(well almost )😳

 

[Eoe]

Take ,5. Wow cool tune. I can already hear this .

 

[Jeanette]

Frere Jacques

This this, I learned to play it without dots, problem is I've forgotten it 🙂

Jx

 

[Tiberius]

I just checked and was very surprised to see that Summertime has never been done before. It's a tune I keep going back to to test my 'progress' (or lack of). A fairly easy tune to play, but experienced people can make a lot of it (It sounds great when my teacher plays it).

 

[trimmy]

I just checked and was very surprised to see that Summertime has never been done before. It's a tune I keep going back to to test my 'progress' (or lack of). A fairly easy tune to play, but experienced people can make a lot of it (It sounds great when my teacher plays it).

Pm me if you want to pick.

 

[saxyjt]

How about Estate (Bruno Brighetti) ?

Could be a tribute to Toots Thielemans by the same token. 😉

 

[Chris]

Some interesting ideas guys🙂 Just PM Colin and let him know you'll host the BOTM thread and lets get things going🙂

Chris..

 

[Tiberius]

Some interesting ideas guys🙂 Just PM Colin and let him know you'll host the BOTM thread and lets get things going🙂

Chris..

Ok, done, so unless someone else has already been chosen, our BOTM for November will be Summertime...so get practising 🙂 I expect to see the beginners having a go (just wave your fingers around the pentatonic minor), and I expect the more advanced people to be showing us some more advanced ideas 🙂

 

[Rob Pealing]

It is just over 2 years since I learnt how to assemble a sax so here is my birthday recording. As someone earlier in the thread noted this tune is not as easy to learn as first appears and I did not find the solo at all easy, I guess with time and lots more practice I will get better.
Those who wish to put there tutoring hats on please do.

https://soundcloud.com/sax-in-a-kayak%2Fsatin-doll-1

View: https://soundcloud.com/sax-in-a-kayak/satin-doll-1

 

[Tiberius]

Hey Rob, that's quite good. Your tone is also improving over the past 6 months or so I've been listening.

Yes, Satin Doll is definitely not a beginners track tbh, the melody itself is easy, but the way the key changes, it's tricky for us less experienced to solo over...


...now get back to Sumertime, (although, I guess, living in Nova Scotia at this time of year, maybe that isn't so easy either 🙂|