Misc instruments kaval style clarinet mouthpieces?

[mizmar]

Here's a couple of pictures of end blown flutes.
Ney and Kaval
Curious as to angles, sharpness and how it affects tone and playability.
Thx
PP
Life without reeds. 🍻
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That's a Turkish Nay.
I have Arabic, reed Nays; the blown edge is just a slightly thinned not particularly sharp. I also have plastic ones which are much sharper. Easier to make sound; also narrower - which affects timbre (boring) and tuning stability... They are all, also, I understand, differently tuned.
Like all instruments... It's a world of compromises and preferences.
The clarinet is much wider - and I'd suspect that makes note stability a challenge. Which it is anyway.

The thing of it is - maybe one of the biggest factors - that because your face is always at an open-end node, you're always involved with the end effects - think key heights controlled by embouchure. Angle, embouchure and volume all affect tuning as well as timbre. This is true, but less so, on sax and clarinet. Very little on fipple whistles or recorder. I don't play transverse flute so can't compare.

 

[mizmar]

fipple flute style clarinet mouthpiece

For reasons above; something edge blown, reed or fipple are just different.

I do wonder if either of these, really work well on clarinet

So "work" depends on what you want to achieve in terms of idiomatic sound, timbre, affects etc.

I'm 100% sure you don't convert a clarinet to edge blown to make life easier!

 

[mizmar]

Anyway, their checkout doesn't allow you to change the destination country from Ελλάδα - hEllas ...

Still, saved me from wasting a money

 

[mizmar]

Debit card companies really should have a means to block card transactions late on Friday nights or breathalyse people or something.

 

[bobstad]

There is a €20 option for their white plastic kaval style mouthpiece, the least expensive choice: however, the fipple type for €95 seems intriguing.

My own experience with recorders, is my favorite uses the 'fipple' end from an inexpensive dollar store recorder made of a translucent green plastic that looks cool on the cream colored plastic Yamaha recorder body-and most important, that green piece which creates the sound, gives a beautiful husky breathiness so different from mouthpieces that otherwise imitate a more standardized recorder tone.

What this option would do on a clarinet sure makes for curiosity..like this likely wouldn't have been done, if not with potentials? My €95 could have a nice sabbatical, while deciding.

 

[Ghr9204]

Debit card companies really should have a means to block card transactions late on Friday nights or breathalyse people or something.

I suppose, if someone was attempting to blow across a saxophone bell as though it was a kaval mouthpiece. 😉

 

[mizmar]

I suppose, if someone was attempting to blow across a saxophone bell as though it was a kaval mouthpiece. 😉

Better than blowing Blue Bossa into a breathalyzer before the beak ...

... Try saying that after a brace of bevies...


(Translation
Beak -> Judge in English slang
Bevies -> likewise, alcoholic drinks)

 

[mizmar]

...gives a beautiful husky breathiness...

Maybe the blade or wind channel needs cleaning up?

But, if you're after a breathless sound and are already comfortable with recorder, why not go straight for a Kaval?

But, again, my experience has been they the edge blown and the fippled are two extremes of blowing sound down a tube.

 

[Ghr9204]

Better than blowing Blue Bossa into a breathalyzer before the beak ...

... Try saying that after a brace of bevies...


(Translation
Beak -> Judge in English slang
Bevies -> likewise, alcoholic drinks)

Actually, it was my poor attempt at humour, so I apologise.

Going back to your earlier comment that the Greek website did not permit selecting your specific location, I gather that their IT team must have assumed that only Greeks would want a Kaval mouthpiece.

Sometimes the same situation happens here in US. Then I call and specifically talk to a salesman, who sidesteps the web and sets up the order.

 

[mizmar]

poor attempt at humour,

I did appreciate your (poor attempt) humour!

only Greeks would want a Kaval mouthpiece.

I assumed their merchant service didn't support faffing with tax, vat etc. Even within the EU, I think, there's some care needed. Maybe they didn't bother for reasons you say - but the greek diaspora is quite big...
... I'm sure if I contacted them directly we'd find a work round. Greeks aren't averse to a bit of tax dodging (their national sport)

 

[bobstad]

This is a teaser for me, just now at least. I got two months behind on rent, so for a few months my 'disposable' income is nil.
Otherwise, I'm primed..especially to get more than one, even their fipple style; so that I can see what far more accomplished players known to me, are capable of?

Using the greater range of a clarinet, seems a challenge; not unlike balancing any instrument throughout that's entire range. I have heard someone on a flute, from just outside the home of Bert Wilson and Nancy Curtis, sounding powerful enough to topple the walls. He was said to play flute an octave below that's normal range. Teacher of Saturday Night Live's Lenny Pickett, Bert recorded and performed on clarinet, bass clarinet, soprano, alto and tenor saxophones.

 

[mizmar]

their fipple style

sounding powerful enough to topple the walls

Yeah. I've got a low D Tin whistle... The top of the 2nd register is quite resistant and takes a lot of air. The rest of it has more dynamic range. At least a clarinet with a fipple wouldn't require the piper's grip.

 

[bobstad]

Gosh, my next step, to play on these..fipple style, and/or kaval style too.

 

[ellinas]

Did you guys get in touch with the shop?

 

[mizmar]

Did you guys get in touch with the shop?

I haven't - but it is on my list!
Yes, I've emailed tham.

I do think Google Translate's choices are a bit unfortunate.

Clarinet to crotch conversion

 

[mizmar]

I knew there was a YouTube..
... I don't think chappy has an adaptor

View: https://youtu.be/KJO-rgT8h5w

 

[Ghr9204]

I knew there was a YouTube.... I don't think chappy has an adaptor

Looking at the video in full screen mode on my cell, knowing the length of a barrel being a long time clarinet player, it definitely appears that he is using a kaval style mouthpiece.

If there are no issues with intonation (with the backing band, that is), then I could see applications where one could even use it in jazz play.

 

[mizmar]

If there are no issues with intonation (with the backing band, that is), then I could see applications where one could even use it in jazz play

As I mentioned above, tuning will be tougher! I'd guess to make this work, you'd have to have pretty great ears. The result is pretty close to a transverse flute! But could be fun.

It's one of my many Achilles heals (Achilles the centipede?) - being a late starter with music playing my ears aren't great. Improving, for sure...

 

[mizmar]

Did you guys get in touch with the shop?

I didn't get a response to my email... Which is probably sitting in their spam folder.

 

[Ghr9204]

It's one of my many Achilles heals (Achilles the centipede?) - being a late starter with music playing my ears aren't great. Improving, for sure...

Rather than an "Achilles' heel",

Achilles' heel - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I think of it more as a stepping stone. Improv with it, over time develop your skills.

Then one day, say you are playing for a Greek / Turk / etc. wedding or birthday, etc., in one number you are confident in, you suddenly pick it up, solo on it, impress others. They say, "Wow! Did you see that?"

Now, you are the star.