Saxophones Is an upgrade necessarily a Selmer or Yamaha?

[philthd]

hardly any instances of my (not prticulatly common) real name relate to me

though all the many references to my handle seem to be



it wasn't the anonymity of her chosen handle that irritated me, just the choosing of one that tried to make her sound important - as if she represented the views of all pros - like she was the platonic ideal of professional musicians - like her opinion was more valid than those of evryone else on the forum (when she literally couldnt even spell saxophone)

 

[jonf]

philthD wrote:

it wasn't the anonymity of her chosen handle that irritated me, just the choosing of one that tried to make her sound important - as if she represented the views of all pros - like she was the platonic ideal of professional musicians - like her opinion was more valid than those of evryone else on the forum (when she literally couldnt even spell saxophone)

That's exactly what wound me up as well.

 

[Jules]

JonF wrote:

philthD wrote:

it wasn't the anonymity of her chosen handle that irritated me, just the choosing of one that tried to make her sound important - as if she represented the views of all pros - like she was the platonic ideal of professional musicians - like her opinion was more valid than those of evryone else on the forum (when she literally couldnt even spell saxophone)

That's exactly what wound me up as well.

Completely with you guys- 'you don't know who I am but I know far more than you do.... and I appear to have an axe to grind too'

 

[jambo]

I also agree

 

[saxteacher]

Dear all,

After catching up with all that has been going on in this forum. I'd like to remind everyone, if I may, about why this discussion began in the first place - trying to convince me about a saxophone.

Speaking in a hypothetical sense, I would assume 'A Professional Musician' teaches a number of pupils, and feels the same as I feel towards my pupils: I would not want them under any circumstances to be 'hoodwinked' by any saxophone manufacturer, known, unknown or otherwise. If any of the saxophones owned by me, or any one I know, pupil or peer, have a problem, I think that if the maker / manufacturer / company is contactable that they should endeavour to sort out the problem. There is no point playing a saxophone that can be better with a little bit of tweaking!!

I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible in this situation as I do perceive and understand both sides of the argument - but 'A Professional Musician' was simply exercising their right to have an opinion. In my mind that is considered to be 'Freedom of Speech', they did not aim to degrade any one in any way shape or form. I seem to remember other posts on this topic making passing comments about the quality and reliability of Selmer / Yamaha - but these comments seem to be ok. . . . . .

As Linky_Lee has posted: 'The keywork comes from China, the body comes from Germany'. Therefore, I am guessing, Hansons can only say they are 'assembled in England' not 'Made in England'.

After conducting research on the internet, I have found differing comments about all makes of saxophones, including Hanson, Selmer & Yamaha and therefore conclude that 'A Professional Musician' was only regurgitating comments that they themselves have come across and that they did not mean to be malicious in any way. I also feel that 'A Professional Musician' was acting in the best interests of their pupils by researching the different makes of saxophone.

As for FrankB's posting about 'libel' and 'defamation of character', in my opinion, this is taking the matter way out of context. Surely this matter can be settled easily?

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

 

[frankb]

SaxTeacher wrote:
I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible in this situation as I do perceive and understand both sides of the argument - but 'A Professional Musician' was simply exercising their right to have an opinion. In my mind that is considered to be 'Freedom of Speech', they did not aim to degrade any one in any way shape or form.

[snip]

As for FrankB's posting about 'libel' and 'defamation of character', in my opinion, this is taking the matter way out of context. Surely this matter can be settled easily?

As you've been off the forum for a few days possibly you missed "a professional musician"'s second post. I won't reiterate her accusations here (the post was deleted for a reason) but 'libel' and 'defamation of character' would be very real concerns for her if the person mentioned in that post chose to take action.

I don't own a Hanson, have no relationshop with Hanson's and no particular opinion of the saxophones, the company or the owner. If you read my post, you'll note that I did not advocate the taking of any action against any person. Indeed the point of my post was to attempt to avert any need for such action!

Like you, I hope this matter can be resolved easily. Indeed, as the sax in question appears to be fine now, hopefully it already is!

 

[Pete Thomas]

SaxTeacher wrote:
I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible in this situation as I do perceive and understand both sides of the argument - but 'A Professional Musician' was simply exercising their right to have an opinion. In my mind that is considered to be 'Freedom of Speech', they did not aim to degrade any one in any way shape or form. I seem to remember other posts on this topic making passing comments about the quality and reliability of Selmer / Yamaha - but these comments seem to be ok. . . . . .

Anyone is entitled to an opinion of course, but the post in question contained defamatory and possibly libellous content. These were accusations of "false advertising", "passing off as" and copying designs.

This is not about freedom of speech, it is about what appears to be a malicious attack.

I respect your opinion in your original post SaxTeacher, and I was happy to see your open mindedness when the problem was resolved.

The second post by "a professional musician" appeared to be a malicious personal attack.

 

[Pete Thomas]

Moved from the archives

 

[Ivan]

Moved from the archives

Old battles revived?

 

[Dr G]

Moved from the archives

Why? Are we rehashing the quality of Hanson saxophones from 20 years ago or revisiting the question? If the latter, I propose that we start fresh and free of Hanson-inspired bias.

 

[Pete Thomas]

Are we rehashing the quality of Hanson saxophones from 20 years ago or revisiting the question? If the latter,

There are potentially a lot more than just Hanson to discuss

 

[turf3]

Well, I'd certainly consider a good King Super 20 or Buescher 400 or Conn 26/30M an "upgrade". Also any pro model Buffet, SML, Martin. Holton sopranos in my opinion are equal to the best. It seems that most everything Beaugnier ever made was top notch.

 

[JayeNM]

...i noticed a few very old threads suddenly reappearing in the past week or so...just curious was that just an organic occurrence or something else.(?)

 

[Keshr]

Pete posted an explanation the other day that the archives were back. And encouraged reviving threads.
The Breakfastroom Archives Are Back!

 

[Joe from New Orleans]

Ah man, I play Keilwerth.... I get the same thing! 'So what's your sax' 'Oh.... Keilwerth....'

Ah well I love them 😛

Amen to that!

 

[Joe from New Orleans]

Thanks for the advice,

I live not too far away from Hansons and will be on the phone tomorrow for their advice. (Incidentally the reed was a 2 - could this be a problem?)

I was feeling under a lot of pressure, but I now feel we can sort this out very well - the music teacher at school said he was really impressed with the SA8 apart fom the "tuning issue" - I have asked my daughter to get him to email me his opinion of the problem to pass on to hansons.

I think we will still have a Hanson at the end of this - as my wife says - I can be really pig headed sometimes, maybe that's why I am so lovable :whistle:

I will close off this post when I get a solution - I don't want to be a pest.

Thanks for the points from all contributors - I have suggested to my daughter that she uses this site as a resource, you have all been really helpful

Kind regards
Andy

I wish my dad had been as supportive to me as pertains to my musical endeavors as you are with your daughter. She is very lucky!

 

[Joe from New Orleans]

Thanks for the reply Roger,

My daughter took her new present into school today for her debut in the soul band.

An experienced player had a "blow" and said something similar to her tutor - namely something is wrong with it when you go above upper A, it seems not to match with the same notes an octave below and seems "tight or stiff" and difficult to play.

Is this something that needs trimming in by Hansons or something characteristic or.......
or something more fundamental

sorry if these are very basic questions - as I said in my intro, I know nothing!

cheers
Andy

This "problem" could be caused by the player in that he should be practicing long notes in his upper register to strengthen his embouchure. In other words, he needs to strengthen his lips.

 

[Dr G]

I wish my dad had been as supportive to me as pertains to my musical endeavors as you are with your daughter. She is very lucky!

I’d love to hear a followup post from the OP, but that was a 2007 post and it looks like they are no longer a member. Are those Hanson saxes now “vintage”?

 

[Targa]

I’d love to hear a followup post from the OP, but that was a 2007 post and it looks like they are no longer a member. Are those Hanson saxes now “vintage”?

I hope so, it will make mine worth a lot more.

 

[Tuppertn]

Are those Hanson saxes now “vintage”?

I hope so, it will make mine worth a lot more.

I don't think we ever really nailed down what that even means.😉


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