Sheet Music i'm a believer, Key and Chords

[eb424]

It is still difficult to understand. I think the point of Ivan’s post is not to nitpick but to advise you that you will only get good answers if your questions and information provided is clear and understandable.

One thing I don’t understand is what makes you think the track has a key change?

Edit: just seen Sax Panther’s response. Is it the shrek version? I also think that seems an unlikely version for Karaoke and if you bought the track you’d expect the producer to note any key changes.

Maybe not "nitpicking" but my post was answers to questions asked by @pgboyd. They will make no sense if read out of context.

I don't know how (on my phone) to highlight and answer specific parts of a thread which would make understanding my replies easier. For example above you ask

" One thing I don't understand is what makes you think the track has a key change".

To answer that I have to type out the whole question. Lazily and through ignorance I try to answer in the main body, which I agree gets complicated.

I was told there was a key change, ( not here), there are notes in the version that aren't in the key sig. There are no accidentals in my leadsheet so thought it maybe indicative of a key change. Also with the vocals there is a pitch change at the end.

It's hard as I can't upload the song here. Technically it's not the Monkees version (copright) nor Neil Diamonds, but based on the Monkee's rendition.

Karaoke Version is a website that uses AI to generate backing tracks. Similar to band in a box, but someone does it for you. You can alter the key, remove the vocals, insstruments etc.

 

[eb424]

Thanks @sax panther - confirms my understanding that any producer of Karaoke tracks should not only follow original arrangement but also make it clear what key it is in the description and if there is more than one key - ie a key change.

Also any necessary changes from original arrangement, in this case no fade out.


Which notes are you referring to?

How do you box sections like that..My life would be much simpler...lol

"Gs" and "Cs" trying to play the instrumental and outro by ear..

 

[eb424]

Dropbox

www.dropbox.com

 

[Pete Thomas]

Lazily and through ignorance I try to answer in the main body, which I agree gets complicated.

I suggest not being lazy! 😉 Surely it’s worth it to get good answers.

I don’t know what you mean by main body

I was told there was a key change, ( not here), there are notes in the version that aren't in the key sig.

Who told you? Why not ask them what key they think of changes to and why they think that.

There are no accidentals in my leadsheet so thought it maybe indicative of a key change

It’s in G, there should be an F natural accidental in one place near the end of the verse. (Haunted all my dreams)

Also with the vocals there is a pitch change at the end.

A pitch change? What notes?

How do you box sections like that.

Box sections?

 

[eb424]

Dropbox

www.dropbox.com

Hopefully make life easier. I've removed the lyrics on mine but it is the same..

 

[eb424]

Yes @Pete Thomas "box sections"..how? It was ignorance not laziness..

 

[sax panther]

Hopefully make life easier

There is no key change in that version you've uploaded. Concert G all the way through, so A for you on tenor.

Notes ''not in the key" - as Pete has said, there are a handful of concert Fs (G natural for you) in the vocal line just before the chorus. Flattened 7th, completely normal.

In the last chorus/outro bit the singer flattens the third to a concert Bb, so C natural for you instead of the C# that you might be expecting - most prominent in the 'yeah yeah yeah yeah' bits around the 2:30 mark.

 

[eb424]

There is no key change in that version you've uploaded. Concert G all the way through, so A for you on tenor.

Notes ''not in the key" - as Pete has said, there are a handful of concert Fs (G natural for you) in the vocal line just before the chorus. Flattened 7th, completely normal.

In the last chorus/outro bit the singer flattens the third to a concert Bb, so C natural for you instead of the C# that you might be expecting - most prominent in the 'yeah yeah yeah yeah' bits around the 2:30 mark.

Hey thanks..quite pleased at least I recognised the 2 notes, by ear..even if the whole key change bit was wrong..

 

[Pete Thomas]

Yes @Pete Thomas "box sections"..how? It was ignorance not laziness..

It was you who said lazy (along with ignorance). Take some time to explain clearly what you mean and as I said, you will get a lot more help with your questions.

Ignorance is fine, we all started somewhere.

 

[sax panther]

Hey thanks..quite pleased at least I recognised the 2 notes, by ear..even if the whole key change bit was wrong..

Hearing stuff like this is good progress on the way to being able to play by ear.

 

[Pete Thomas]

In the last chorus/outro bit the singer flattens the third to a concert Bb, so C natural for you instead of the C# that you might be expecting - most prominent in the 'yeah yeah yeah yeah' bits around the 2:30 mark.

@eb424 these are blue notes, sometimes 3rds, 7ths and 5ths are flattened to give a blues or R&B flavor. This is a bit of improvised bluesy vocal at the end.

 

[eb424]

Hearing stuff like this is good progress on the way to being able to play by ear.

Thanks I was trying to DM you with a cheeky question but it won't send..

 

[sax panther]

Thanks I was trying to DM you with a cheeky question but it won't send..

Try again, I've just deleted some old ones. Or ask here, if you think it will be relevant and helpful for others.

 

[eb424]

Try again, I've just deleted some old ones. Or ask here, if you think it will be relevant and helpful for others.

Lol no its cheeky..

 

[eb424]

 

[eb424]

Does this need to go up an octave circled notes are with octave key on..

 

[sax panther]

Once again...not sure I understand what you're asking. If you've circled the notes that you're using the octave key on, then you already know the answer...?

I don't think this method of writing notes above words is helping you at all.

 

[lydian]

Does this need to go up an octave circled notes are with octave key on..

It would still work an octave up, but how good is your high F#? I vote to leave it in this comfortable range as is.

 

[eb424]

Once again...not sure I understand what you're asking. If you've circled the notes that you're using the octave key on, then you already know the answer...?

I don't think this method of writing notes above words is helping you at all.

Hi I was asking as the middle section is quite high whether the above needs to go up an octave. I.e. the first line would be all octaves with the Ds being palm keys. I think it would be to high. Also your right about it not helping. I look at the middle section and can't see rhythm. I need the backing track.

 

[Dr G]

is im a believer in 2 keys

Hi, Ive been asked to do this at a wedding. I googled the above as it changes at the end (outro) and notes not included in the key are used throughout. I have the karaoke version song in G major I have transposed to A. So ABC# DEF# G#A There are other notes involved in the instrumental part. Google suggests the song utilises chords ( all Major) G,D,C and F. To ascertain all notes in the piece is it as simple as transposing the notes in the above chords or do you tranpose the whole chord? E.G. G =s A major etc or G majors notes transposed I.E G=s A, B=s C#, D=sE..or does it really matter

How did you make the connection to play this at a wedding? Did the couple already hear you play somewhere and make this request?

I am hoping this event is a long way off, else it may be better to let them have the time to find an alternate.