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Taming The Saxophone

Saxophones Huge Stencil Sax Listing

thomsax

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"Who made what" , "is it a stencil of a brandholder", "a stencil or second line sax"...... ? I also think this is interesting. And useful as well. I often meet young sax players that says the bought a Martin when it's an Indiana. Indiana can be very good and nice saxes. But sometimes they can pay too much a for second sax. The seller says "The Indiana" is the same as "The Martin". In the saxophone world there was a home industry as well. Saxes were made in the kitchens, woodsheds ..... of skilled sax workers. Stencils?
 

thomsax

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Louis Robert was an Amati stencil.

I'm not sure about the late "King Marigaux" saxes. They are not stamped/engraved with "SML" on the bell and in King Musical Instruments, Inc catalog it's : "Built in Paris, France to King specifications". If it was a SML made horn I think it should say: Built by SML, Paris, France to (for) King Musical Instrumental, Inc, specifications". But who cares? It a great saxophone with or without "SML" stamped/engraved on the bell.
 

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I have been working on putting together a really comprehensive stencil listing for my website. When it is finished, close to 85% of the stencil names will be linked to horns in my gallery.

Before I go to all that linking work however, I was hoping I could get some input from members here to make sure that I didn't make any glaring errors or omissions.

By the time I was done with copy/paste/format etc the Excel tables into my website, I could easily have moved stuff into the wrong columns, or lost columns altogether. Now, I'm so blind by it all, I couldn't see an error if it jumped up and bit me in the ass.

The page can be found here on my website.
If you have a stencil horn not included in this list, please let me know. Thanks!
I have a Broadway stencil , made in Italy 1905 ish baritone , no one has ever heard of this stencil , can you shed some light ? Please Jay
 
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I have a Broadway stencil , made in Italy 1905 ish baritone , no one has ever heard of this stencil , can you shed some light ? Please Jay
I need a bit more to go on than the name and a country of origin Jay. There were quite a few saxophone manufacturers in Italy. Can you upload some photos or send them to me via email? If you don't want to upload an image of the serial #, please provide at least the first few digits of the number with the last few X'd out. Also, does the serial # start out with a letter?
 

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I need a bit more to go on than the name and a country of origin Jay. There were quite a few saxophone manufacturers in Italy. Can you upload some photos or send them to me via email? If you don't want to upload an image of the serial #, please provide at least the first few digits of the number with the last few X'd out. Also, does the serial # start out with a letter?
Hi Helen
Yeah I understand . Here’s some pics and the Bari is in a tech shop having work done on it and don’t have the serial number to hand but definitely doesn’t have a letter at the front of it.
 

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I have been working on putting together a really comprehensive stencil listing for my website. When it is finished, close to 85% of the stencil names will be linked to horns in my gallery.

Before I go to all that linking work however, I was hoping I could get some input from members here to make sure that I didn't make any glaring errors or omissions.

By the time I was done with copy/paste/format etc the Excel tables into my website, I could easily have moved stuff into the wrong columns, or lost columns altogether. Now, I'm so blind by it all, I couldn't see an error if it jumped up and bit me in the ass.

The page can be found here on my website.
If you have a stencil horn not included in this list, please let me know. Thanks!
@helen

Beaugnier definitely made a "Selmer Pennsylvania" alto.

I know this because... I'm a collector with a real weakness for Beaugniers and I've got an example of the above-named horn.

Additionally, here's a more complete list of Dorfler & Jorka stencils. Most of these are already covered by you, but a few aren't:-
  • Boucet
  • Carl Ludwig, Carl Schiller, Clinton, Convair, Condor
  • De Villiers, Diamond
  • H.Genet
  • Impala
  • Jubilee
  • Key Tone, King Tempo
  • La Sete Professional
  • National
  • Original Hopf Classic
  • Pierre Maure Artiste, Paragon
  • Rene Dumont, Rodgers, Roxy
  • Senator, Startone, Skytone, Symphonic
  • The National, Toneline Artist
  • Velvetone, Vitacoustic, Voss
  • Warner Concerto
 
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A friend of mine has a Pennsylvania tenor made by Yanigasawa. I can get you further details if it’s of interest to you.
Yes please. I have a listing for a Super Pennsylvania as being made by Yanagisawa, I wonder if it is the same?

I mentioned some time ago about a couple of horns I have one is a Lindell Tenor and the other is a Paul Cavour Tenor and was wondering if you have ever come across either of them
I have heard of both, but at present they are not on my list. I am assuming it's because I never ID'd a maker. If you have photos you could could share, that would be of great help. Thanks!
 

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According to Günter Dullat - "Saxophone" ISBN 978-3-7959-0926-0 (The book is in German)
Page 137: a rough translation - Up to the beginning of the 1970's Yanagisawa built large quantities of stencils for Selmer >Pennsylvania< for Conn >Continental< and under the name >Martin<
 
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Hi Helen
Yeah I understand . Here’s some pics and the Bari is in a tech shop having work done on it and don’t have the serial number to hand but definitely doesn’t have a letter at the front of it.
Mmm... Without a letter in front that rules out Orsi.... Also, the photos more or less rule out Orsi as well. Interestingly enough it is only keyed to high Eb. No chromatic F# or bis Bb. That says student horn to me, since it is not old enough to be an antique horn sans these features.

Italian horns are not my speciality, so I'll have to do a bit of digging to see what I can uncover. R&C perhaps is my first guess, but the word "guess" is key here. ;)
 
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@helen

Beaugnier definitely made a "Selmer Pennsylvania" alto.

I know this because... I'm a collector with a real weakness for Beaugniers and I've got an example of the above-named horn.

Additionally, here's a more complete list of Dorfler & Jorka stencils. Most of these are already covered by you, but a few aren't:-
  • Boucet
  • Carl Ludwig, Carl Schiller, Clinton, Convair, Condor
  • De Villiers, Diamond
  • H.Genet
  • Impala
  • Jubilee
  • Key Tone, King Tempo
  • La Sete Professional
  • National
  • Original Hopf Classic
  • Pierre Maure Artiste, Paragon
  • Rene Dumont, Rodgers, Roxy
  • Senator, Startone, Skytone, Symphonic
  • The National, Toneline Artist
  • Velvetone, Vitacoustic, Voss
  • Warner Concerto
Thank you very much. There were 6 in that list that I hadn't seen before. Now I have 6 more names to search for images of. :)
 
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BTW, I just did a massive update to the list 2 days ago. I added over 100 stencil names to all the various brand names.

I didn't update links to galleries however. My website recently moved to a VPS server, and my original gallery "broke". It still works, but I can't upload new content, and old content is fubarred whenever umlauts or other non-English characters are used.

I am currently in the process of redesigning my gallery using a different CMS, and will be also be partnering with another vintage sax gallery owned by a colleague I work very closely with. When completed, there will be close to 100,000 images of vintage, collector, and very rare horns available for you to peruse.