Playing the saxophone How do you justify jazz?

[Zasterz]

Well T is missing out regarding Beetlejuice (the musical). I just saw the broadway cast show this week and was blown away. Highly recommended show.

Did they do MacArthur Park like in the film sequel?

 

[Dr G]

Did they do MacArthur Park like in the film sequel?

I haven’t seen the film sequel and don’t recall hearing MacArthur Park. I should have recognized that tune from all the Maynard Ferguson concerts I attended in the ‘70s.

 

[Zasterz]

I haven’t seen the film sequel and don’t recall hearing MacArthur Park. I should have recognized that tune from all the Maynard Ferguson concerts I attended in the ‘70s.

They sing the entire 7 minute song as a duet in the sequel. You can’t miss it. It really drives home what an absolutely ridiculous song that is. And it was such a hit!

 

[Vlad]

I had a go with one of those playalong backing things a while back with Mac A. Park, It's totally mental really isn't it 😀

 

[Dr G]

They sing the entire 7 minute song as a duet in the sequel. You can’t miss it. It really drives home what an absolutely ridiculous song that is. And it was such a hit!

Here’s the song list: Beetlejuice Lyrics – All Songs from the Musical ⭐

 

[progger]

I do - oils and acrylics, and handcrafted jewelry. I buy it because I like it. I really don’t care if anyone else does - they don’t live with it.

Well, sure, but I'm pretty sure that's contractually obligated for anyone who's ever lived in Santa Fe for any period of time. When you sign a mortgage contract they teleport a scarfed coyote into your living room and multicolored acrylics onto your walls, in between the red chile ristras.

Joking aside (or was that a joke, I don't even know any more) that is literally the only "justification" for art. You like it or you don't. Like I said, I immediately loved Coltrane's quartet and the Mahavishnu orchestra and never liked anything mellower or older until later.

My own group enjoys a pretty big audience, including plenty of non-musicians, and we are far from trad jazz or smooth jazz. We're often very loud and abrasive, but we're good at what we do and people who hear us live tend to feel feelings. That's really all anyone cares about. When it comes to jazz – or any live music – it takes a pretty high level of quality to make people feel feelings (particularly the kinds the performers are aiming for), which is why most of it seems not that great... not just to "normal" people, but also to me.

The same goes for literally any art form.

 

[Dr G]

Well, sure, but I'm pretty sure that's contractually obligated for anyone who's ever lived in Santa Fe for any period of time. When you sign a mortgage contract they teleport a scarfed coyote into your living room and multicolored acrylics onto your walls, in between the red chile ristras.

Fair. It took a while, several years, of attending local pueblo festivals and art shows (Eight Northern Indian Pueblos Council, Inc.), we got to know some of the artists whose work we enjoyed, and eventually started buying some of their work. I saw the work of many silversmiths and developed an appreciation of certain styles and came to recognize the best of the best. Only then did I “collect”.

Speaking of coyotes:

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My own group enjoys a pretty big audience, including plenty of non-musicians, and we are far from trad jazz or smooth jazz. We're often very loud and abrasive, but we're good at what we do and people who hear us live tend to feel feelings. That's really all anyone cares about. When it comes to jazz – or any live music – it takes a pretty high level of quality to make people feel feelings (particularly the kinds the performers are aiming for), which is why most of it seems not that great... not just to "normal" people, but also to me.

The same goes for literally any art form.

I am grateful to have experienced your band. All the best to you and yours.

 

[progger]

Fair. It took a while, several years, of attending local pueblo festivals and art shows (Eight Northern Indian Pueblos Council, Inc.), we got to know some of the artists whose work we enjoyed, and eventually started buying some of their work. I saw the work of many silversmiths and developed an appreciation of certain styles and came to recognize the best of the best. Only then did I “collect”.

Speaking of coyotes:
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Micqaela Jones Fine Art Giclee Reproductions

Limited Edition Giclee prints signed and numbered by artist Micqaela Jones

www.artbymicqaela.com

I am grateful to have experienced your band. All the best to you and yours.

Hah, man, I love it! That piece sums up my childhood in many ways. Growing up in Albuquerque was really great for me personally, although plenty of my friends and peers had it rougher than I did. Great colors, though, and I'm very partial to canines and hummingbirds.

I'm also so glad we got to hang briefly at that little joint in SF. That was a really enjoyable show, is that place still around? Hard to believe it's been about a decade, that was our first and last time (so far) playing in my home state.

 

[BigMartin]

Ludwig Spohr about Beethovens 9th final movement: "so ugly, in such bad taste, and in the conception of Schiller's Ode so cheap that I cannot even now understand how such a genius as Beethoven could write it down."

I happen to agree with that one. The first three movements of that symphony are, IMO, sublime. The last is, well, ridiculous to my ears. I've never understood whoy it has become so iconic.

 

[Dr G]

Hah, man, I love it! That piece sums up my childhood in many ways. Growing up in Albuquerque was really great for me personally, although plenty of my friends and peers had it rougher than I did. Great colors, though, and I'm very partial to canines and hummingbirds.

I'm also so glad we got to hang briefly at that little joint in SF. That was a really enjoyable show, is that place still around? Hard to believe it's been about a decade, that was our first and last time (so far) playing in my home state.

I don’t know what remains of the Santa Fe scene. I moved to Sacramento in 2018 when I retired from the lab. I do miss my friends there (especially in the bands that I played in for 20 years). I am so glad that you found such a thriving group of musicians to form your band. What a blessing.

 

[progger]

Yes sir, I agree wholeheartedly. And I forgot that you moved, I remember you mentioning that now. I miss NM, I need to visit more the once every three to five years.

 

[Jeanette]

Fair. It took a while, several years, of attending local pueblo festivals and art shows (Eight Northern Indian Pueblos Council, Inc.), we got to know some of the artists whose work we enjoyed, and eventually started buying some of their work. I saw the work of many silversmiths and developed an appreciation of certain styles and came to recognize the best of the best. Only then did I “collect”.

Speaking of coyotes:

Love that print

 

[Dr G]

Love that print

Take a peek at the link to Micqaela’s gallery.

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Those are just the Giclees. Now imagine those vibrant colors on canvases of several feet in each dimension. Her work is stunning.

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[Jeanette]

Where joy lands is my favourite 😀

 

[mizmar]

As for John Cage 4’33”, he has been responsible for many terrible student skits

I stumbled across this YouTube, which folks might enjoy in this context

View: https://youtu.be/SG8ey1sGJ84

 

[Pete Effamy]

I stumbled across this YouTube, which folks might enjoy in this context

View: https://youtu.be/SG8ey1sGJ84

I got to 8’ without any emotional outburst even though I am alone. This merely enforces my original feelings.
Quite interesting that “silent music” uses the word music itself, which I’m fairly sure has definitions that use the word “sound”.

It requires no elements of a what constitutes a performance of a piece of music. In fact, if the performer(s) dropped dead in the wings, or any instruments were lost in transit the performance would not be changed.

As for a written score, I prefer Cage - the word Tacet following each movement title - rather than the pompous full score of rests to be “played “.

With the examples of theatre given (hands on keys as if to play, and falling off the stool) - this is stuff I’ve seen in 6th form concerts (larking about) or at university (being “clever”).

 

[mizmar]

I got to 8’ without any emotional outburst

I don't post that to wind anyone up; I thought it was interesting as, while everyone quotes Cage, there are other examples.

I’m fairly sure has definitions that use the word “sound”.

I'm fairly sure words - in common use, non formal / technical language - don't get meaning from definitions.

 

[Pete Effamy]

I'm fairly sure words - in common use, non formal / technical language - don't get meaning from definitions.

Nevertheless, true though, huh ? Music contains sound, like speech. And the use of pauses / silence etc is powerful in both.

The whole point about using silence in music as a powerful tool has been utilised for hundreds of years.

 

[mizmar]

Music contains sound, like speech.

I think we all know that the silent pieces are performance. Artistic even; and the video shows the various artistic movements they've been used in. Maybe they fall short of being "musical" - and in so doing shine a light on a lot of stuff that goes into being "music" because they're presented as music . The same as people who mess around with expectations of harmony, rhythm, melody, tonality, performance presentation, all sorts.

There's always someone around to say "that's not real music" - sometimes people feel that viscerally, sometimes intellectually. Either way, the work has done it's job.

 

[Targa]

First time I saw David Bowie he was a mime artist not a musician.