Saxophones How do we define "vintage" or "not vintage" ?

[Pete Thomas]

Of course BBS was a form of social media in the day.. just peoples understanding of social media has evolved.

Yes but I don’t think anyone called it social media back then, I’d be surprised if the term was used much before 2010.

 

[mizmar]

Yes but I don’t think anyone called it social media back then, I’d be surprised if the term was used much before 2010.

Certainly by the dot-com boom and bust it was pretty well know - to those with good network access. In the 90s the ideas of graph theory, connectivity graphs etc. started to be applied to the design of some online platforms - the superpower of Facebook and Google. As the 2000s progressed, home and then mobile internet took off and the Social Media of the day was taken to be what Social Media is by the gen-pop.
If there is any substantial underlying division between classic and modern Social Media; its the connectivity graphs; not special interest fora and such like.

Edit:
Though I don't know what was going on in the1950s!
I've replaced the graph with one without smoothing which makes the 1950 less important but emphasises the early 90's which, interestingly, lines up with the text...
... Although, apparently, evidence and experience don't have any impact on opinion!

 

[Dr G]

Forums like Café Saxophone, The Saxophone Museum, The Woodwind Forum, Cox Engines Forum, Stunt Hangar, Motorcycle Forums, The Voyager Association, and etc. are not considered social media. They are specific interest groups. There is limited off-topic discussions permitted in their off-topic thread sections for the sake of socialising and getting to know members better, but it is not the main thrust of discussions.

You neglected to preface your statement with “IMHO”.

I won’t say that you are in a minority on this because I don’t know the statistics. I do, however, know that your definition of social media is not shared among all.

 

[Pete Thomas]

I don’t know the statistics either but I would happily bet most people do not consider old s hook forums like this to be Social Media, which is stuff like Facebook, X, etc (see the share icons at the bottom of the forum page). All the pro SEO consultants I have consulted discuss social media similarly. But let’s just agree to disagree because I doubt I will change my mind.

 

[Dr G]

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Certainly by the dot-com boom and bust it was pretty well know - to those with good network access. In the 90s the ideas of graph theory, connectivity graphs etc. started to be applied to the design of some online platforms - the superpower of Facebook and Google. As the 2000s progressed, home and then mobile internet took off and the Social Media of the day was taken to be what Social Media is by the gen-pop.
If there is any substantial underlying division between classic and modern Social Media; its the connectivity graphs; not special interest fora and such like.

Though I don't know what was going on in the1950s!

Not unlike the definition of autism and its apparent rise, one must look deeper at “statistics” such as this figure. What is in the scope of “social media”? What is represented by the vertical axis? Conspiracy opportunity: Did the government act to suppress free speech in the mid’50s?

Footnote: Two large factors in the rise of autism are: 1) the definition of autism has changed from “disabling” to “spectrum”, and 2) access to mental health providers for diagnosis. Since both variables have had such a significant impact on reporting numbers, there is no trend, just a patchwork of discontinuous data. We have a tendency to put lines through data even when not appropriate or valid.

 

[Pete Thomas]

Did the government act to suppress free speech in the mid’50s?

Which government? Oops, political. Let’s not go there.

 

[Dr G]

Which government? Oops, political. Let’s not go there.

What leads you to believe that governments are independent from one another when financial influences may be common to both/many? Is the discussion “political” if driven by economics?

Whoops. I’ve got to go. I hear a knock at the door and helicopters overhead.

 

[LostCircuits]

What leads you to believe that governments are independent from one another when financial influences may be common to both/many? Is the discussion “political” if driven by economics?

Whoops. I’ve got to go. I hear a knock at the door and helicopters overhead.

You've been watching "Commando" again?
😛

 

[mizmar]

I doubt I will change my mind.

Nor should you.
I'd guess most SEO consultants weren't even a swipe right on their mother's iPhone when the BBS code was a first written. To them S-M is what the job demands and that is FB, TikTok, X etc. The meaning of S-M is what pays the bills so that's what it means now. Now. But, again, words change meaning, including "vintage" or "classic".

And SM is not like some possibly trendy possibly improved diagnosis. There really is more of it around.

 

[Pete Thomas]

influences may be common to both/many?

It would be many rather than both, and nothing common to all of them

Is the discussion “political” if driven by economics?

Usually it is when in relation to governments rather than purely academic economics. As advised I don’t think we should go there.

 

[Targa]

And SM is not like some possibly trendy possibly improved diagnosis. There really is more of it around.

Which perhaps some here are in favour of.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFAMyoGS4jY

 

[Dr G]

And SM is not like some possibly trendy possibly improved diagnosis. There really is more of it around.

I wonder what has happened to the frequency of interpersonal communication via speech.

 

[Pete Thomas]

I wonder what has happened to the frequency of interpersonal communication via speech.

Me too. Seems like it’s a social gaff to ring someone up.

 

[Ghr9204]

Use of electronic media even predates messaging on of various forms on mainframes.

Licensed Ham radio operators used telegraphic keyed Morse Code to communicate with other Ham radio operators on a hobbyiist basis. It has been more or less replaced by cellphone text messaging.

Ham radio was more popular in the 1940's through 1960's. I still have an ARRL (American Radio Relay League) 1968 handbook. It was a good reference when I was in high school, covered electrical and radio theory with both tube (valve) and transistor basics, calculations, sample circuits, build articles on making one's gear from scratch, and etc.

They even had "chat" terms like XYL - Ex-Young Lady, a reference to one's wife. They would text a sentence in code, then receive a reply in code.

WW2 and prior era, pilots military, commercial and private had to know Morse Code. Voice communication was of limited distance, code carried further. Even military fighter pilots had a telegraph key in the cockpit because CW continuous wave could cover greater distances than voice.

Hams even have contests where under very low power like 1 Watt transmitter power (sometimes called a "peanut whistle"), see how far they can telegraph someone, sometimes reaching as far as the other side of the globe.

However I would not call this "social media", as it is limited to licensed hobbyist radio operators, who are a select group. Their common interest is their radio gear.

 

[Pete Thomas]

However I would not call this "social media"

Well that’s a relief. 😅

 

[Dr G]

Use of electronic media even predates messaging on of various forms on mainframes.

Licensed Ham radio operators used telegraphic keyed Morse Code to communicate with other Ham radio operators on a hobbyiist basis. It has been more or less replaced by cellphone text messaging.

Ham radio was more popular in the 1940's through 1960's. I still have an ARRL (American Radio Relay League) 1968 handbook. It was a good reference when I was in high school, covered electrical and radio theory with both tube (valve) and transistor basics, calculations, sample circuits, build articles on making one's gear from scratch, and etc.

They even had "chat" terms like XYL - Ex-Young Lady, a reference to one's wife. They would text a sentence in code, then receive a reply in code.

WW2 and prior era, pilots military, commercial and private had to know Morse Code. Voice communication was of limited distance, code carried further. Even military fighter pilots had a telegraph key in the cockpit because CW continuous wave could cover greater distances than voice.

Hams even have contests where under very low power like 1 Watt transmitter power (sometimes called a "peanut whistle"), see how far they can telegraph someone, sometimes reaching as far as the other side of the globe.

However I would not call this "social media", as it is limited to licensed hobbyist radio operators, who are a select group. Their common interest is their radio gear.

I thought this was a saxophone forum. Did the wires get switched to alt.reminisce?

 

[PigSquealer]

I thought this was a saxophone forum. Did the wires get switched to alt.reminisce?

A Classic mistake. I remember when…

 

[Ghr9204]

A Classic mistake. I remember when…

It goes back before that. It is a "vintage" mistake. 😉

 

[PigSquealer]

It goes back before that. It is a "vintage" mistake. 😉

I think on alt.reminisce that’s post war. They just don’t state what one. Could be any year.

 

[Ghr9204]

I think on alt.reminisce that’s post war. They just don’t state what one. Could be any year.

Unfortunately alt.reminisce does not exist on Usenet.

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